this whole thing is pointless. Everyone that was pvping in vanilla knew that ranking was not for casuals, queue dodging was never 100%, and even if you got into a fight, premade vs premade, it would end very quick, as the other premade was better.
I will tell you it will be impossible for a solo player to rank on vanilla,so make friends, and AV is the worst way to rank, except for AV weekends…
Actually, when it comes to exploits that you can’t really even report other players for using, pretending they don’t exist is the best possible thing you can do to prevent word from spreading.
Blizzard doesn’t NEED you to post things on this forum for them to know these exploits exist, there are other channels to go through that aren’t so public.
Blizzard is more likely to find out even before you do, they only need a handful of reports to figure out that something is wrong, anything beyond that is advertising for players to try it.
if they do the bg that they queue for, then they wouldn’t have to wait longer than usual unless the bg was over less than 15 minutes after they queued for it
the cooldown would begin when they enter the queue
Ah, gotcha. Cooldown on the queue, not the end of the BG. Makes sense. Slows down queuing only for deserters and exploiters and zerg BG’s that take less than 15 minutes to complete.
I like it!
I’m not sure what would work to stop queue dodging entirely. I don’t think giving players who don’t accept a queue is the right solution - sometimes people are just afk.
Then again, I don’t know. A group could have one person join the BG, check to see who the opposing players are and just have everyone else accept/decline the game accordingly. Sure, one guy gets the deserter debuff, but if it isn’t a healer, 14 premade players would still dominate against a 15 player pug.
I’m pretty sure that a bunch of nerds that are going to be playing for 12 hours a day seven days a week for a few months on end will know about the most common problem having to do with their activity.
It happend in vanilla.
The problem with single queuing (ie. Only one bg) is twofold.
It leads to longer queues or just simply dead bgs.
I remember on proudmoore in vanilla how av just wasn’t played y the horde, oh you would get a game every month or two. This was caused by another problem but was just a useful example.
I agree queue dodging is a massive problem that detracts from every ones enjoyment of pvp.
I just don’t think abandoning multi queuing is a thing that is good for pvp.
Let me propose an alternative.
You can’t prevent spying on another account, but you can mitigate it without throwing the regular player under the bus.
There’s nothing wrong with posting about exploits/bugs when the game is in testing(let alone Classic which isn’t in public testing yet). It’s only when the exploit is live where people can get actual bonuses from it where the issue is. Then you should keep it quiet and report is discreetly!
What if like in all MOBAs today no one gets to zone in unless every one accepts the que? That would stop the single person scouting problem. AV is a different beast all together but that would at least help with WSG and AV.
well here comes the critic… will agree with this video as one side of a bigger problem, let’s add premade C, and premade C is not a dodger, but a one-shotter… let me explain: you talk dodging queues, but the reason why someone would dodge a queue is , even according to your video, not to dodge a win, but to dodge a “tedious” loss, because of premade A, whom is a oneshotter, whom is actually premade C, because once the battle starts they transforms into Premade C. how do i say this? well… if a premade queues a match with a sacrificial player and they go in and see the other team being a premade, at that point the other premade sees only 1 player and can assume that the other team is a dodging premade… why are they not also dodging that queue? because they either do or don’t want that potential tedious match, which breaks their premade category into 2 groups, making premade A, B and C. giving the dodging team a debuff actually promotes the staying team, which is still potentially toxic, cause why not? to a free game vs a pug, but there is no valid information to suggest a pug is worse off versus this premade, as there is no valid information to suggest any premade is specifically good for anything besides being premade, but you specifically mention premade A as “the better premade”, which on its own is a toxic observation, B is not dodging because A is better, B is dodging, because A is not negotiable, being premade in itself was the same issue as having more level 19 twinks on your team than the other, but this only affected the outcome of the game by asmuch as there were more faction players on a side playing twink in that bracket. the real problem is premade A, as they are WILLINGLY fighting other premades, which defies the point of a premade, because you may as well go duel outside of org, there is no tilt to a premade vs premade, except a im better than you cause drek was 20 seconds closer to the alliance spawn than vann to the horde. a desserter debuf does more for the players willing to waste there time in a bg going nowhere than it helps people that actually want to get somewhere with the little time they may have on the game, whether it be playing premade or not.
Ever heard of “the squeaky wheel gets the oil”?
I also heard: “I saw this on the internet, lets try it.”
“You gotta break some eggs to make an omelette”
he mentions in his video that people have to “spy” with a lvl 1 alt on the opposing faction… not a lot of people are paying for 2 accounts and I dont see it being a big issue with classic, as you can only have 1 faction per server
Also, BGs are cross realm and not server restricted like early vanilla, so no way to do this anymore.
Here’s the thing we are all people instead of crying about every single little thing each individual person has opinion of certain aspects that doesn’t truly affect them that they don’t like.
Let’s focus instead at major game breaking problems.
If I’m in Premade yea every match I don’t want a hour battle against another premise. Instead I’d rather farm 5-10 other Battle Grounds in that hour.
On the other hand if it’s a really good premade I’ll accept the challenge to see who’s best. When I’m not trying to just farm honor.
So understand some people only have two hours a night to play this game. Some live on this damn game no life what so ever or their career is playing the game.
Bottom line to each his own quit with all the Qq in this game. Grown men reporting grown men over non sense and behavior they don’t agree with drives me mad. If it doesn’t break game or truly affect the game experience quit crying all the time
Blizzard should add deserter buff for leaving que. or break Addons that allow players to join in raid groups to scout.
I remember that’s how we group qued too, everyone would get an add on, that add on would tell everyone in a raid which battle they are getting into (numbered - everyone has to get same number). one scout joins. if it’s not premade, everyone else joins. if it’s premade, everyone drops que, and ques again automatically via add on.
I just want to say thanks for making this pointless video!!! Youve edited video, recorded gameplay, and then spent hour uploading. For a 10 min pointless video
then made charts which made me become 100% confirmed youre lifestyle!
So lets erase your entire logic with letters(for your next video to help you)
Title ------- Avg Time Played Daily ------------- Skill--------- Premade Dodge
Gamer Dad- - 2 - - Medium - -Yes-
Casual- - 1-4 - - Low - - Yes-
Pvp Only Guy- ---- - 1-4 - ---- – Low-High— — -somemetimes
High Rated Pvpers 1-8 High No
More Simple
Team full of Pros Streamers wont que dodge any team they love pvp its why they play the game!
Team full of players like Tally Avg player cant really pvp nor pve. Well yes will que dodge cause they will be demolished by high end teams. Due to viewers , team members, or their fame theyll know when to que. Which is in Retail also…
Lets stop the grown man tears now for sure you expressed for 10mins
World PvP will be the factor of gaining the most honor for the player base not battle grounds!!!
By the time the BGs hit they will have top Ranks and the gear not caring as much about Que dodging!
Either way your video is very irrelevant and filed with speculation of opinions of yours!! This wasnt how wow was. Its how the type of player was like ive stated above! Bottom line team 1 and 2 will accept all pvp challenges so they can make a youtube highlight video!!!
So your entire video is wrong and way off leaving me to conclude what we all already know. Bunch of grown men play this game QQing about everything! Then making videos like this which are very personal experienced based but lead to having worse impact or something another
Queue dodging was something that people did 15 years ago. Anybody who is any way serious about the PvP grind is already aware of this.
think your the only person to follow along with your convo!!!