Question for those who completed Flawless master (torghast layer 12 flawless all wings)

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Is it feasible for me to complete this before 9.2 with ilvl 230 ish

Thing is I am not pushing high M+ nor am I pushing any raiding so gearing up is very slow and am hovering at 230 on the toon I run torghast with.

layer 12 says recommended ilvl 250…

Has anyone done this achiev at a much lower ilvl? I am sure it is possible, I know how to play and optimize my spec but I’d rather not farm gear that will become meaningless in a month. Also it seems te box of many things perks will reset come next season soo… let me know!

thanks

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I completed it a bit over a month after 9.1.5 launched and was…220 when I started, and 234 ilvl when I finished it?

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Did you max out your box of many things?

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Not at the time. I didn’t max it out until 3 months later.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/drenden/humanbeak/achievements/expansion-features/torghast

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It’s entirely possible to do, heck you can even ignore the timer and still do it. It’s all about the little points, like not dying and not taking epic power’s. Personally I don’t have it, nor do I care enough for it as I find it to be highly redundant honestly. As I would rather just do the run normally, over bending over backwards just to get all the different points and so forth that have such contrasting ways to do the run from its original intended design.

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I really enjoy running it on fury warrior, thing is I do flawless on layer 9 no problem, I stepped once in layer 12 and got demolished (although now I think back on it I had horrible powers). I think one of my problem is I am still thinking of it as a race, so I do my layer 9 flawless in 10-15 minutes tops. I came back recently and used to run torghast in 9.0 when it was all about speed. I think reading more about it, I really need to stop thinking of it as a race lol there are other ways to make the points, I think I will give it a shot.

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Yeah, fury warrior when I did it. It was fun.

The timer is almost meaningless if you go the completion route. I recommend you understand the potential bonuses you can get at the end of the run. Getting a good number of bonuses is practically required.

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Yeah I read that like 10 times, at first made no sense to me but now starting to see what they were going for.

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Torghast is notably easier for certain classes/specs. For example, I’m fully convinced a shaman in greens will have an easier time than a BIS shadow priest. Shamans are just so god tier in Torghast it isn’t even funny…or well I suppose it is funny but not for priests.

Also keep in mind that everyday the wings change blessings and torments and there is a torment that is a buff to you…the physical/magical damage dealt applies to all characters. If you get a wing that say lacks many magical damage enemies and have that torment and you happen to deal magical damage (check your tooltips if melee because many magic-themed attacks still are physical) than you get an extra buff essentially.

You don’t need the full box, but it is able to be grinded now so no real reason not to.

The timer can also be safely ignored…but you’ll need to do a lot more specific setups to get bonus points to make up for it.

Also you can run with people so do it…the box has many perks that apply to the party so even if you don’t have something, someone else may which you benefit from. For example, the extra anima orbs for 10/20/30 kills is a deep talent but works for the party. The slower drain on the enpowerment bar and/or more contribution to the fill up of the bar works for the party.

The key with inviting someone is look for someone who can help fill in your weaknesses. Contrary to what many think, a tank is among the worst to look for…their AOE damage is great but mobs gain a lot of raw damage and should the tank die, you’re screwed. Overpulling is one of the primary ways to die which then devalues a lot of what the tank brings.

Healers, on the other hand, often have the same single target damage potential of a tank, are much better equipped to keep you alive, and don’t add near the amount of health and damage to mobs. Certain healer builds (monk, pally, and especially shaman), are just super flat out broken too. Shaman poison healing rain and/or monk corrosive dosage vivify spam? You just wiped out an AOE pack in literal seconds, were at no danger, and did WAY more damage than a tank can conceive of doing.

Either way, flawless Torghast is very doable at 230+ ilvl. You probably just need to find all the bonus point sources and make an active attempt to make sure to get them and not do stupid/derpy stuff to lose points like die or get hit by traps and you’ll get it.

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Actually what legendary did you use?

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Signet, even though I’m not a huge fan of it’s RNG nature.

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Yeah same but I am thinking of making a cancel bladestorm easy button lol

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As a Paladin - absolutely!

Some ranged classes have a harder time…although they seem to be more valuable in groups than their melee counterparts anyway. But I usually run through a flawless 12 on all my alts each week (solo) to get the conduit upgrade item - and all my melee have an easy time.

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I was around 245 on a MM Hunter when I completed it in September. No maxed out Box of Many Things (completed that in November)

It was very important in the beginning to focus on the bonus points like your empowered bonus, killing elites within 10 seconds of each other, killing an elite before it reaches 6 stacks, killing the layer boss in sub 20 seconds, etc. They all add up. Once you get higher item level, you can start paying more attention to the par time while not worrying about 1-2 of the bonus points like not taking epic powers or having 500+ Phantasma.

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… seriously?

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The box of many things thins out after getting +3 blessings, - 2 torments and auto loot. The rest of that stuff doesn’t really help a 5 gem that much.

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Yes. I did all of mine as a 220-225 item level condemn warrior.

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Bull if it doesn’t. Having the empowered bar deplete slower and/or accumulate the bar faster means more time empowered which gives more bonus points as well as increases your output significantly.

Taking less damage from elites and even getting some freebie anima orbs on floor 1, where you are at your weakest no less, is also huge.

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You can def do it by then, and you could get better gear in the time it takes you as well.

One thing I did is when I messed up or I hated the map, I zoned out and started over. Even if it was after floor 1, I still started over. You might burn more flasks and food but that’s the way it goes in a time crunch. I did half of them by accident when it first came out and then realized there was an achievement and mount for the rest, so I went back a few weeks ago and did the 2 I had left.

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It should be mentioned that the next patch will be increasing Torghast levels again with a new set of achievements I think. Meaning that if you plan on getting those new ones next patch, there’s no rush on getting it done this patch, since you’d be getting the achievements from this patch done anyway on the way to getting those done.