So the solution is to make it an even worse experience? I don’t follow the logic here.
Well I tried man. Shouldnt have expected anything else.
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timegating is the worse experience, get stuck on molten core for months when you’re ready for AQ because you’ve been facerolling MC since week 2.
and then BWL gets released, and everybody’s decked out from MC, rinse repeat for AQ and Naxx.
just release 1.12 in full without timegating, if they can’t bother rebalancing the game for an authentic challenging experience at the start, at least let us continue to progress when we progress and get to the hard content when we get to it
To Starz- I loved classic. Loved it. Here is the genesis of my passion for WoW and Blizzard.
My nostalgia for wow goes back further than WoW MMO. By the time WoW came out I was started my professional career in law. It was a crazy balance of time being addicted to a video game while trying to impress a firm. I made it through successfully somehow. And had fun…
But before WoW I played warcraft. All of em. I made maps for friends. I played Diablo and learned how to connect a lan in my house, and I am an idiot when it comes to that. But I did it and all my friends came over and we were epic.
I love Blizz. I love their games. During the most boring parts of WoW and its ever changing arena system, I picked up Hearthstone and learned how to grind to legend. I love almost everything Blizz does, and when the possibility of a classic server came about, I got even more excited.
To wit, I desperately miss certain aspects of vanilla:
- skill trees and the actual ability to have enough spells, abilities and downranking to be creative as compared to today.
- the nostalgia of turning every corner in a dungeon and seeing something fun!
- knowing that every night I had a group of friends who would chain queue BGs with me as we helped the next future rank 14 get the weapon
- drinking beers and raiding, not taking stuff too seriously but all the while keeping my eye on the meters to make sure I was pulling my weight.
- Knowing that it mattered what crafting skills I picked so I could help my friends in the guild with enchants or whatever.
We played the same game Starz. I am just as passionate as you. The difference between you and me is that while I pine for those days, I know we won’t get them back in exactly the same form. In fact Blizz made some changes that were fantastic.
I started out wanting a WoW 2.0, but after two weeks on this forum I understand some of the passions that are expressed. I’ve adjusted some of my thinking to accomodate.
That’s it. We aren’t so different, you and I. Except you are rigid and what i describe as an idealogue. Who reports me, trolls me and pisses me off.
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How is not having time gating a worse experience?
Well yea I reported one of your posts about some guys girlfriend… Since you want WoW 2.0 you should probably ask for that. Its not the point of Classic. I’m not looking for any nostalgic feeling when I play vanilla wow… Its just a good game that isnt available that I would really like to play again.
You might be the one having trouble with dissenting opinions man.
are you serious?
Pvp craved players will have to find their enemies out in the world for a while. That’s how it was back in the day until the battlegrounds were released. It’ll be fun to kill levelers. And trust me it’s just as important to gank your enemy as it is to move up in Pvp ranks. It’s up to us to make it difficult for the Alliance to level otherwise they’ll have more 60’s than us and will be raiding our cities sooner.
I got 0-exalted in AB in 2.5 weeks when it first came out (part of a HWL team making a push, chain running 6min ABs)… It really doesn’t take all that long. AV is soloable and about the same pace. WSG on the other hand, even chaining wins takes forever.
Now, you could always argue (and I previously did) that you could simply just gate the rep rewards, but put the BGs in immediately…
The first problem arises with population dispersion. You simply don’t have enough people queuing up to reliably form games, without resorting to Xrealm tech, especially when most people are going to be leveling for the first 2-3 months.
The second issue is one of authenticity. BGs where not present at the start of vanilla, and where not in the game for decent length of time after release. I think part of the intention here is to simulate that era of Vanilla, where WPvP was the only PvP, and perhaps get some of those TM vs SS battle raging again.
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Here’s what ultimately bothers me about this time gating. Vanilla is about recreating a past that is gone, but time gating content in such a way recreates that exact problem.
What problem?
What is the issue classic is ultimately supposed to solve?
I guess it depends on your perspective. If this is a side game you don’t really care about and you only want it to screw around during content droughts. I can see why it might be a worse experience for you.
But for all the people who this is not a side game it cheapens the experience with a complete lack of progression.
Blizzard seems to be making Classic for the latter group.
Right, but what about that progression after a year or two? What about people who don’t max out progression at exactly the right time to move on to the next stage? What about people who finish progression faster and by all means have the gear/skill to move on but are only limited by blizzard arbitrary timeline?
Yes this works for the group who starts playing classic from day one and progresses at exactly the same rate that coincides with content release, for anyone else it makes little sense.
I beg your pardon? There’s no problem with waiting for battlegrounds to come out unless you have one to point out
Sure there is, why wait for them? I have yet to hear a good reason.
It’s even more silly if we’re not getting progressive balance patches. But just content time gating.
You may not want to accept it as a good reason, but trivializing MC gear is a good reason.
How would MC gear be trivialized? Even if ZG gear is on par running them both concurrently would still be a good idea.
Ah and as I recall didn’t fill as many slots as MC/Ony.
I’m not even someone with a horse in this race, but the simple answer to why wait:
BGs can’t really be taken out or closed after they’re in and available. That’s disruptive to anyone who hopes to PvP in battlegrounds. They can be closed until a certain point, after which - just as happened in vanilla WOW - they are made available.
Without BGs, there’s time for players to get to 60, get some gear, focus on wPvP and city raids and duels, without honor being this whole gearing and ranking thing. There’s time for some people to build reputations, positive and negative, for what they’re like to attack or be attacked by in the world.
Most important, I think, there are people whose favorite time in vanilla WOW was before BGs were added, when the only PvP was player-generated. For those people, a specific period of time in WOW: Classic, a few months, without battlegrounds is the only chance they will have for the vanilla experience they crave most - while everyone else will have potential years of the experience with BGs.
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