Quel'thalas belongs to the Alliance

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There is no reference whatsoever to public protesting in In the Shadows of the Sun, or any other lore source that discusses the exile. The Sin’dorei in the Bazaar who protest other policy decisions are dealt with using mind control rather than being exiled, and the exile was already in place by that point. You’re mixing up two different events.

You’d have to ask Blizzard, because that’s the lore they’ve given us.

It is, and I’ve given you several examples of it already. The elves were given a choice, follow Rommath’s teachings or leave, not follow Rommath’s teachings or quietly mind their own business.

Oh, I’m so sorry. Please forgive me if I am not inclined to take lessons on the English language from someone who refuses to use basic punctuation or capitalization.

From the Warcraft Encyclopedia entry on High Elves:

From the Warcraft Encyclopedia entry on Blood Elves:

For emphasis, “Kael’thas rallied all the survivors he could find and renamed them the sin’dorei,” referring to all elves living in Quel’Thalas at the time he returned home. The remaining 10% who did not change names at that point were those not already in Quel’Thalas. Now, some of those 10% may have then gone home later, and some may have even eventually become Sin’dorei, as the Warcraft Encyclopedia specifically mentions that scenario, and as I’ve already stated it’s implied that some elves may have initially adopted the name change and then rejected it and returned to identifying as Quel’dorei after Lor’themar exiled them, but the initial 10%-90% split was between those living outside Quel’Thalas and those within.

No Ren’dorei here, just my five Sin’dorei characters including my main. Nice try, though.

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give me your citation for this. where is it stated anywhere that the elves were gathered up or something and were told accept these teachings or youre exiled

it makes no sense

why would they exile some high elves for merely making a choice?

its said lorthemar didnt want to lead a nation divided. how do you divide a nation if you arent protesting?

lol…

still waiting for that citation that no ‘high elves’ are living in quel’thalas and can only visit the sunwell

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From Quest for Pandaria - Part 4, abridged to just the most relevant parts to avoid posting a massive unedited passage:

This short story is set in the beginning of MoP, indicating that the exile is still in effect long after the Sunwell pilgrims appeared in Wrath.

I didn’t say it made sense, I said it was the lore Blizzard have given us. Warcraft lore doesn’t always make sense; in fact it frequently doesn’t, as many discussions in the Story Forum can attest to.

I already have. You haven’t provided any evidence that the exile was ever lifted.

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you cant even establish ALL ‘high elves’ are exiled LMAO

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Let me spell this out for you. Quel’dorei did not follow Rommath’s teachings on mana tapping. By definition, any elf who did is considered Sin’dorei instead. This is stated outright in the Warcraft Encyclopedia:

Lor’themar exiled any who refused those teachings. From In the Shadow of the Sun:

Not “because we protested”, not “because we spoke out”, but “because we refuse”. Combined with Talithar’s statement in Quest for Pandaria, the evidence points entirely to the choice itself being the deciding factor, not public outcry, and thus that all who refused Rommath’s teachings were exiled, not just those who made a scene, since protesting is never mentioned in regards to the exile. Since all Quel’dorei refuse those teachings, all Quel’dorei would be included in the exiled group. That exile has yet to be lifted, despite mana tapping no longer being necessary.

You are free to not like it, or to argue that it doesn’t make sense. That doesn’t change what lore we’ve been given by Blizzard. None of what I’ve posted above is fanfiction, it’s all directly from official sources.

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none of you what you just copy pasted states there are no ‘high elves’ living in quel’thalas and all are exiled. only a group was exiled for protesting it. how can he exile them if they dont speak up and make a scene? LOL

all high elves appear to know how to mana tap. the lodge elves did. aurics elves did too

this passage doesnt even make sense btw. especially by todays standards

its just so comical how you people claim hurrrrrr 90% of the high elves became blood elves the rest stayed with the AlLiAnCe when nothing states this

and then the short story shows a larger group then anything ever shown in the alliance getting exiled long after that renaming. and they didnt even go to stormwind lmao. just went south to abandoned fastrider lodges

you have nothing. even the devs have confirmed you have no alliance population, that there are only a couple and that they dont support the alliance like the void elves. so one of our interpretations is wrong and considering youre stuck playing a void elf who posts on a horde alt and not a ‘high elf’ im guessing im right

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As I’ve said more than a few times, just because something is stupid, doesn’t line up with what you want to believe, or makes no sense, doesn’t mean it’s not lore.

That’s like… triply true for elves.

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if youre talking about this line

Even today, though, a high elf might still succumb to that addiction and become one of the blood elves

yea it makes no sense. if you want to go by high elf for w.e reason you just do it

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It is what it is, Mags.

Bliz keeps using the damn things in places they absolutely don’t have to, and I don’t think they’re subtle enough for the occasional high elf showing up on Blueside being TOP SECRET BLIZZARD CODE for “All of them are actually dreadlords.”

But I guess you never know.

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theyve literally added 6 npcs to the alliance since the game released and confirmed multiple times theres nothing more behind them. they pretty much are just meant to be easter eggs to reflect the lore that a couple do exist in the alliance

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Yes, if you only count your very specific list of named NPCs with certain alignments, sure.

Still six NPCs they had no reason to add filling roles that could have easily been filled by a gnome. What could it possibly mean. Truly, the riddle will never be solved.

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i mean im not counting neutral dalaran elves or hermit exiled elves squatting in farstrider lodges

an easter egg

like back in classic, youre exploring stormwind for the first time and you go to the keep and you explore the side rooms and theres 1 of 2 easter egg npcs, a hunter just standing there. most people dont look at that and go ‘OMG the high elves are a major alliance race and have a roll in every expansion theyre literally everywhere’

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Our greatest minds are baffled as to what Blizzard could possibly mean by occasionally including short pink elves on Alliance, referencing them in lore now and again, and even portraying them in game more than actual Alliance races like jinyu.

Well, we’ll probably never figure out what they meant.

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Just because it’s stated indirectly does not mean it’s not stated at all. We are given information pertaining to which elves were not affected by the ban, and Quel’dorei don’t fit the requirements.

There is no evidence of anyone being exiled on the basis of protest. You’ve either made this up or confused it with the scene in the Bazaar, which does not end in the protesters being exiled.

High elves did not mana tap living creatures such as mana wyrms, which was the practice they objected to. Renthar states this directly.

It makes perfect sense. If a High Elf gave in to mana tapping living creatures, they were then considered a Blood Elf.

I haven’t claimed that the remaining 10% stayed with the Alliance, I’ve just pointed out that Blizzard’s lore sources state that they weren’t at home when Kael’thas returned and found 90% of the remaining living elves there. 100% (total number of living Thalassian elves) - 90% (those rallied by Kael’thas and renamed Sin’dorei) = 10% (living elves not in Quel’Thalas at the time).

Yes, but we don’t know if they were High Elves who returned home after Kael’thas and didn’t accept the name change, or if they were Blood Elves who had accepted the renaming for a couple years and then rejected it after being exiled. By the time we encounter them in In the Shadow of the Sun, they’ve been banned from Quel’Thalas for five years, meaning they were exiled well before Vanilla in the time period between Warcraft III and WoW. They’ve had plenty of time to change their minds on what they want to call themselves.

I have everything, for I am a Sin’dorei fan, and the elves I am most interested in are the ones that have been playable since Burning Crusade. I have multiple canon lore sources to back up my positions. You, on the other hand, have your own fan ideas and some phrasing from a fan site.

Good thing I’m not interested in playing them, then.

You’re very, very, very wrong, and since I know the truth of who I am, I can say that with 100% certainty. If you’re so certain that I’m a Void Elf main posting on a Horde alt, then name my main. Go on. I can tell you to not bother, because Vandraeda is in fact my main, but I’m so very curious to know who you think I really am since you refuse to listen to the truth.

Two words: elven lifespans

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its literally the only way it makes sense to ban renthars group(lol). why would anyone care what you do as an individual? UNLESS YOU START A PROTEST

ok?

you have yet to provide a source that says ALL ‘high elves’ are banned from quel’thalas and none live there LOL. you are also quoting from the exact site as the original source is gone

your horde alt has no progression or gear but ok

i guess thats why you got void elves on alliance didnt you

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Yet it’s not the stated reason they were banned. Canon lore doesn’t always make sense, that doesn’t mean it’s not canon. Take it up with Blizzard, not me.

I have, you just don’t like it.

Yes, because I play almost entirely solo and don’t raid or push keys or PvP. I’ve already stated that I haven’t put in my usual effort to my transmog lately because I’m way behind on my gearing and don’t want to spend the gold, and that’s because I’ve been very busy with non-WoW stuff this patch. Unlike you, I don’t post on an alt on the forums, unless I specifically want to show them off.

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then show it to me

“modern high elves are all exiles and only allowed to visit the sunwell”

where is this stated anywhere

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You can scroll up. I’ve shown it and rephrased it several times already. I’m not going to repeat myself just because you can’t be bothered to understand how implied information works.

Are you going to give up on naming my main so easily? Pity, I was looking forward to learning who you thought I really was. I could use the entertainment.

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all you did was talk about vyrin and lodge groups. not a single thing that says ALL ‘high elves’ were flat out exiled. and you know why you cant

because it doesnt exist

seriously, you need to take your own advice. you believe that the lodge elves were exiled in an individual capacity somehow instead of a group causing a big stink and exiled in that moment rather than deal with their continued protest

it it over finally? thank you

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There is absolutely no evidence that they were making a big stink, let alone that they were exiled for that reason. We also have a completely different elf in a completely different situation several years later saying that “We sin’dorei were given a choice” when discussing the entirety of the Blood Elf people with another person, and the reasoning they give for the exile is the same. In addition to all that, those two short stories were written by the same author. There is zero evidence that the ban was based on protesting, when 1) public outcry is never stated as a reason for exile, 2) choosing to not mana tap living creatures is explicitly stated as the reason for exile and is the only reason given, and 3) the one instance of public protesting seen in game is of a different policy entirely and is handled by the use of mind control spells, not banishment. Your assertions are speculations that don’t fit the canon lore we’ve been given. You’re free to not like that lore or think that it doesn’t make sense, but you can’t just ignore it and say it isn’t canon without evidence to indicate that it’s been retconned or updated.

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