Quel'thalas belongs to the Alliance

there was a major brake point in the alliance stormwing being rebuilt, gnomes losing their citie, dalaran being sieged by athas and archimonde…

so in warcraft 3 alliance were like a beheaded chicken, alliance pratically disapeared or at least didn’t had the strengh to be a centrilized power.

made me remember that quest in w3 you have to kill lordaeron civilians scaping thru the mountains :crying_cat_face:

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When Lordaeron and Dalaran fell, yes, the power of the Alliance in the North was essentially gone. That said, Dalaran remained a part of the Alliance until some time prior to Wrath (with Horde players even having quests to kill members of the Kirin Tor). Kul Tiras was still a part of the Alliance until Daelin and his forces were killed in Kalimdor.

Either way, the point here is that the Alliance today is the same Alliance as that of the Second War, just with different members.

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Don’t know that they officially withdrew, but they pulled all their troops home and tried to deal with a threat in isolation, which is not much different in practice.

True, but they did still send supplies and machinery to the Alliance to support it in it’s efforts with the Third War. That they isolated themselves to deal with an internal threat was also them supporting the Alliance, by avoiding having the Alliance drawing forces away from other fronts to help them.

Gnomes are truly the best of the Alliance.

I’m not sure that’s correct. I think they were contributing until the trogg invasion and then withdrew entirely, up until the point they had to seek refuge in Ironforge.

Well, there’s definitely been some Ship of Theseus going on with it, though with the re-entry of Gilneas, Kul Tiras, and Stromgarde being rebuilt it’s true to say that it’s become closer to what it originally was.

The Horde meanwhile, is composed of almost entirely new nations, with the orcs being the only real continuer, and even they are sort of a new nation, in that Durator is arguably the first real nation-state they’ve even ever had. The old Hordes were organizations, but even with the territory they held I’m not sure I’d call them nations except in the loosest sense of the word (‘a group of people with a shared culture/heritage’).

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Prior to the beginning of the Third War, Mekkatorque and Thermaplugg had designed a prototype of the dwarven siege engine, should another war arise. The gnomes continued to provide technological aid to their allies abroad in the beginning of the Third War, fighting against enemies in Lordaeron.

However, on the onset of the Third War, when the kingdom of Lordaeron fell to the Scourge, the dwarven digging operations around Uldaman awoke the brutish troggs, which were attracted to the gnomish machinery and built tunnels to emerge from the deep underground, breaching the lowest reaches of Gnomeregan. Unprepared for the trogg invasion, Mekkatorque withdrew his troops fighting for the Alliance cause to instead help rescue their homeland, temporarily seceding his nation from the Alliance. In order to avoid drawing troops from the important battle with the Scourge in the north, he decided to keep the Gnomeregan crisis a secret to the other allied nations, defending his city alone.

I think it was Blizzcon 2017 Q&A where they responded to a question and then they were dismissive of the people asking for High Elves and wanted to ensure people understood. It’s Void Elves not High Elves. Can’t for the life of me find the original video, but I swear it was in one of the Q&A events where they wanted to squelch the reaction players had and why High Elves would not be playable. Ion Hazzikostas basically was trying to get people excited about Void Elves and he wasn’t getting the response he wanted. Here’s what I found on mmo-champion.

"Originally Posted by Ion Hazzikostas

But also there isn’t a clear example of who or what High Elves are as a larger group that still remains in Azeroth. There’s a couple, we just met Alleria again for the first time, but they’re not out there in the same way."
Originally Posted by Ion Hazzikostas

"If you want to be a fair-skinned, light blonde-haired, tall, majestic elf; that is a Blood Elf. And giving that race directly to the Alliance, I think would have blurred a lot of the lines between the two factions.

Originally Posted by Ion Hazzikostas

Anything is possible in the future, but no plans in the near term to add High Elves as an allied race."

"Originally Posted by Ythisens

How do you feel personally about the idea of High Elves becoming as an allied? What did the team think about them at the time of the massive megathreads?

Personally I have no issue with them becoming an allied race, as the arguments against it are pretty hard to make.
“Blood Elves and High Elves would look roughly the same.” Pandaren already do this across factions.
“Lore wise there isn’t enough High Elves to justify making them a playable race.” Void Elves lore wise have less people than high elves but are playable.
“There’s too many elf races.” It’s a fantasy game… and they already exist anyway.

There isn’t a good reason to me apart from just flat out saying they don’t want to do them. It’s hard to justify game and lore wise why they can’t be playable.

I can’t talk about anything internal on the conversations, I’m just referencing what’s been said in Q&As."

https://curiouscat.live/CadenHouse/post/843519134

No need, you quoted it.

Meanwhile one of your sources actually refutes the idea that there are fewer High Elves than Void Elves.

The quotes are what I was able to find on mmo-champion, but I remember there was a back and forth. They wanted people to understand that Void Elves was the future. They refer to the Q&A, but these aren’t the full comments. Just what I could retrieve. Basically, they didn’t want to make High Elves because they would be too similar to Blood Elves and they also didn’t like the reaction from players who hated the original look of Void Elves and their lore origins which didn’t make sense. They also wanted to ensure that people stopped asking about High Elves. So they made a comment about High Elves being too few in number, but making Void Elves playable made even less sense at the time.

I’d argue there wasn’t a comment about High Elves being too few in number, so much as they just wanted to get people to stop talking about High Elves. Ion’s comment from Blizzcon suggests High Elves, “aren’t out there and don’t have an identity,” but ignored the lodges, the fact High Elves have their own reputation from Wrath, and have the Silver Covenant as an identity.

In short, they knew they’d screwed up and nothing they said could change that fact, but they had to try anyways, and they half-*ssed it.

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Basically! In the end nobody was happy… I just remember the launch event for Void Elves came with a lot of threads of people demanding High Elves then a few years later they gave Void Elves the skin tones of Blood Elves and the eye combos people wanted. I just wish they gave us more story to make Void Elves make sense within the game. C’est la vie…comme ci comme ça… :sweat_smile:

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Blizz could’ve just saved themselves the headache and literally made the Silver Convenant High Elves playable for the alliance. I don’t get the resistance they had to that

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what the hell is that guy talking about?

there will always be more high elves then void elves. theyre practically all horde. even the ones in dalaran still maintain ties with quel’thalas

actual alliance high elves tho? i would definitely make the argument there are more void elves then the 6 easter eggs

just look at bfa

void elves should up for the battle for lordaeron and almost turned the battle in alliance favor. jaina would bail them all out tho

void elves were crucial in the war campaign. with enough numbers to even sacrifice some

as well as leading the alliance assault on zuldazar

they might have even dropped off siege weaponry at the gates of org

but ofc back in actual alliance cities the civilian populations still want nothing to them do LOL

can someone remind me how many alliance elves showed up for them in the fourth war since i know this guy wont respond because he has nothing. or he would try to debunk me but we all know they read everything so idc if they respond

what difference does it matter if they used dalaran or horde high elves? you still would have whined about normal skin tones so you can fanficiton a lotr elf on your preferred faction. thats what its always been about. that you cant stand high elves are horde. that wow doesnt conform to traditional fantasy tropes and you had to wait 15 years to play a blood elf. wow, thats some dedication

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The optimist in me thinks they misread the excitement Alliance players had at the return of Alleria. Rather than realizing it was having a WC2 heroine and major High Elf lore character back in the Alliance, they thought players were interested in the whole Void aesthetic instead.

That is my generous assessment of why they went the way they did, and I honestly don’t think there’s a thing to back it, but at least it paints them as just incompetent rather than willfully malignant.

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I’m strictly a worgen player. So I don’t see how this is relevant at all to what I just said. :wolf:

It’s just a graphical representation for an assault, I doubt they have this many Void Elves at their disposal but who knows. If at maximum, they have as many numbers as the Silver Covenant but nothing has or will likely ever be confirmed.

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They’re a lot more rare when they used to be… the one that used to be at Auberdine is gone, theyh’re practically removed from Legion Dalaran, and the ones that were at Quelthelion Lodge, Withered.

The vast bulk of them were Night Elves. Including a squad of Bikini Biceped Males!