An elemental being is still a elemental being, regardless who made it.
Who made it though?
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It’s irrelevant though. The orcs aren’t titanforged.
(And yes, we both know who made Grond)
Really simple question:
Who made Grond, the earth elemental who was the first in the lineage of races that resulted in the orcs?
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It’s irrelevant though. The orcs aren’t titanforged.
(And yes, we both know who made Grond)
If it’s irrelevant you should have no problem saying who created Grond, sire of the orcs.
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See above post
I’ll take that as an, “I don’t know who created Grond and that’s why I don’t think orcs are a Titan creation.”
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See two posts above. Not my problem your reading comprehension sucks
Sure, we can throw Troggs in there too. And the Tol’vir. Any Titan-made/descended races native to Azeroth of course.
Yes, but they’re not made from Azeroth itself so… go back to your own planet, you colonizing invaders.
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My reading comprehension? Homie I comprehended who created Grond when I read it.
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Orcs are not titanforged, Get over it bru
There are similarities between the descendants of Grond, the Breakers, who include ogres and orcs, and the titan-forged. Grond was created by Aggramar, but in a very different manner to the titan-forged: Aggramar focused elemental energies into a mountain, bringing it to life, while the titan-forged were made from a great chunk of Azeroth’s crust without elemental energies. Both Breakers and titan-forged eventually became flesh, the former because of the Spirit energy of the Sporemounds and the latter because of the Old Gods’ Curse of Flesh.
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I don’t think there’s anything technical about it. The Dark Portal opened 34 years prior to SLs. Thrall was the first orc born on Azeroth, but at this point a large chunk if not the majority of orcs were born on Azeroth.
Oh, the technical part is just that Titanforged are a specific breed of creatures created by Titans. Orcs are still Titancraft. She’s right about them not being Titanforged, but wrong about it not being equivalent.
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I actually never claimed they were.
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Oh, she strawmanned you.
I see.
Sorry, homie.
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Neither are humans or dwarves. What they came from were.
Orcs are just as titan forged as they are. Just a different path.
I’d almost bet it’ll turn out the Draenei are titan forged from Argus in some similar capacity.
Titans make things. It’s what they do.
Those things rarely seem to remain that way.
The Vykrul and Earthen were titanforged though.
The orcs and other sentient races of draenor was more of a happy accident rather than intentional. Agraamar didn’t go to draenor to create life. He only made Grond to combat the Sporemound and keep the sporemounds from turning draenor into a lifeless husk