Technically Night Elves currently are discount Wood Elves, which is part of the problem. Blood Elves are now just… High Elves (discount or otherwise). Both races have become far more generic in terms of fantasy tropes than they originally were.
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If you want uniquely dark elves who experiment with forbidden powers and seek to control the uncontrollable then look no further… VOID ELVES for all that tasty lore that Blood Elves have left behind.
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Yeah, but I ain’t switching FACTIONS just cause they ****ed up my race.
Just gimmie Horde San’layn and problem solved!
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Lanesh presumably identifies as Sin’dorei, considering that he’s only ever seen as part of Sin’dorei/Horde factions and uses a male Blood Elf voice set. I specifically said I was referring to those who currently call themselves “High Elves.” If a blue-eyed elf returns to Quel’Thalas and takes up the Sin’dorei name as a show of their support for the current Thalassian government, then I don’t see why they wouldn’t be accepted, but they would also by definition not be a “High Elf” at that point. Lanesh may also simply have blue eyes thanks to the cleansed Sunwell. Either way we don’t know for sure, since we’ve never gotten the specifics of Lanesh’s story. The same goes for any other blue-eyed elves who fight as part of Sin’dorei factions: they are blood elves, they just have blue eyes. This exact point was used in arguments to give playable Blood Elves blue eyes before we got them in game.
Yes, because she was there as a diplomat on behalf of Anduin and the Alliance. It’s bad diplomacy to arrest an ambassador on sight, especially when they’re asking for an audience with the Regent Lord. Lor’themar welcomed her, but also expressed his disappointment in her stated reason for visiting. She was then banned after the incident at the Sunwell and is no longer welcome in Quel’Thalas.
Yes, but it’s not the same political faction. Blood Elves were high elves, they no longer use the name and do not identify with it.
From The Warcraft Encyclopedia (~https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/High_Elves), evidence that none of the elves remaining in Quel’Thalas kept the high elf name: “Prince Kael’thas returned home and rallied all the survivors he could find: approximately 90% of the surviving high elves. He declared that these survivors would now bear a new name–the blood elves–in honor of their fallen people.” From a different part (~https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/Blood_Elves) of the Warcraft Enclopedia, evidence that a high elf who mana taps from living creatures becomes a blood elf: “There can be no doubt that withdrawal from prolonged exposure to arcane magic is a very unpleasant process: to this day it is not impossible that a high elf might choose to give in to the addiction and become one of the blood elves.” Lor’themar banned those who refused to mana tap from living creatures. If a high elf mana tapped from living creatures (and therefore avoids exile) they became a blood elf. Therefore, by definition the term “high elf” excludes all those who engaged in the mana tapping of living creatures at the time of the exile. Prior to the ban, all those who lived in Quel’Thalas and were rallied by Kael’thas took up the Sin’dorei name. Only those who were not in Quel’Thalas kept the Quel’dorei name at that point in time.
There’s no indication that Lor’themar ever lifted the ban on those he exiled, beyond allowing pilgrimages to the Sunwell. There have been Nightborne visitors walking around Silvermoon ever since they became an allied race (even though the city is still stuck in Burning Crusade, so it’s weird), but no High Elves.
From an out-of-character perspective, I agree that Blood Elves and High Elves are the same species, and that of the two groups the Blood Elves are by far the larger of the two. From an in-character perspective, which I specified I was giving in that sentence, Vandraeda is Sin’dorei and would take offense to anyone calling her a High Elf, because she does not at all agree with their positions. Likewise, I take offense to being accused of being a “High Elf fan,” because I don’t agree with the positions most often associated with that phrase, and I feel I’ve been very clear about that in my posting history.
He’s still dead, so he’s still “late,” and Vandraeda’s been Venthyr all through Shadowlands, so I’ve been getting to hear him apologize for his behavior. He eventually did end up betraying the Sin’dorei, but some of the decisions he made before that point are still honored in Silvermoon, including the decision to never crown another king and his appointment of Lor’themar as his regent. The Sin’dorei have complicated feelings on the subject of Kael’thas; there’s quite a bit of grief mixed in with the anger and betrayal.
The pyramids in Zandalar are pretty big and serve a major purpose, with Dazar’alor serving as the seat of power in the capital. Bwonsamdi also has his Necropolis in Nazmir. As for other races, the pandaren have the Vale of Eternal Blossoms and the temples to the August Celestials. The Blood Elves have the Sunwell, and had Thas’alah before the Scourge came. There’s tons of amazing Nerubian architecture in Northrend, though I’m not sure how many Nerubians are left these days, living or undead.
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she didnt ask. she strolled straight through silvermoon. just more evidence ‘high elves’ live, come, and go as they please from their homeland
if this wasnt the case she would have been stopped at the front gate and never permitted entrance to the city. never mind the fact its impossible to tell the difference(lol)
and theres nothing establishing ‘high elves’ are ALL exiled. youre taking a brief look at the only time we have ever seen quel’thalas updated and they specifically added ‘blood elf pilrgrim’ and ‘high elf pilgrims’ mingling together in quel’thalas and coming to the conclusion “oh they can only visit the sunwell”
LMAO
there is literally no citation for that
i dont even know why you bothered to reply
we already know for a fact ‘high elves’ were living in and fighting for quel’thalas LONG AFTER THEY RENAMED THE RACE
NOTHING SAYS ALL ARE EXILED OR JUST LEFT FOR W.E REASON EITHER
there was no political disagreement until rommath came back with mana draining teachings and SOME(emphasis on some since i know your denial is so strong you cant distinguish between SOME and ALL) ‘high elves’ were exiled for protesting. if only SOME were exiled its logical to conclude SOME would have simply stayed and made due best they can by their own principles
you have nothing to back up your fanfiction and everybody knows it
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The latest we’ve seen about High Elf exile is from Cataclysm with NPCs added outside of Zul’Aman that are still there today that start the following conversation:
- Silvermoon Messenger says: I bring word from the Regent Lord of Silvermoon.
Silvermoon Messenger says: Lord Lor’themar demands an explanation for the presence of this… exile in our lands.
Vereesa Windrunner says: Quel’Thalas is as much my home as it is yours and I would not see it fall to our ancient enemy.
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ok?
vereesa is exiled
the common helfer claim is ALL ‘high elves’ are exiled or stayed or something and alliance(lol). that after the high elves renamed themselves there were no ‘high elves’ running around in quel’thalas after that and they can only visit the sunwell
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The High Elf Pilgrims you pointed out were marked as Alliance. There were no Horde High Elf Pilgrims, only Horde Blood Elf Pilgrims.
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they arent alliance
so whats the race high elf or blood elf?
do you see how ridiculous your logic is
still waiting for a citation there are no ‘high elves’ living in quel’thalas and that they can ONLY visit the sunwell
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I didn’t say there weren’t, just that they would be Alliance High Elves if they’re allowed to live there.
Marked as friendly to Alliance, and hostile to Horde.
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only in tbc for gameplay purposes
the alliance high elves live in their cities(thats what actually makes them alliance) and theres 6 npcs to represent this lore
Some high elves were exiled from Quel’Thalas after the Third War.[14] Other high elf remnants have chosen to rejoin the Alliance in recent years, arriving to a cold reception.[2] Modern high elves are a rare sight, and are commonly mistaken for blood elves.[15][16 High elves did not gather in any significant numbers and are a very small group of individuals [2]
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That was him in Wrath. He did not have the title <High Elf Representative> in BC.
he doesnt attack horde in the scenario dude
I don’t get attacked by Horde in sanctuaries, either. That is gameplay purposes only, not lore.
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It’s funny how people forgot that the High Elves back in Vanilla aren’t friendly to the Horde and even Blood Elves during that time in TBC.
If there were Horde High Elves the lodges in Hinterlands, Loch Modan, Plaguelands, and Allerian Stronghold wouldn’t attack the Horde.
exactly. gameplay mechanics are not lore. now you get it. if he was actually hostile to horde being a ‘high elf representative’ in quel’thalas(a horde state) wouldnt work would it
No, that is not just gameplay, it is indicative that he is not a member of the Horde, that’s how the factions are represented.
Lor’themar doesn’t attack the Alliance player at Sylvanas’ sentencing. By your logic that means Lor’themar is Alliance.
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you can live in quel’thalas and not support the horde in any capacity. see umbric and his followers
Sure, if you’re saying that one can live in Quel’Thalas and support the Alliance as well.
i mean its possible i guess. but i dont think you can openly