Quel'thalas belongs to the Alliance

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need citations for all of this. especially the one that ‘high elves’ cant visit aside from sunwell pilgrimages

the sunwell is the most secure and sacred site in quel’thalas. that they could visit that and no where else is a complete joke and manufactured fanfiction from your side that cant be backed up and everybody knows it

i know you guys like to gaslight that 90% of high elves renamed themselves blood elves(they actually renamed the race) and that 10% ‘just stayed away’ in stormwind or something and always have been alliance but that makes no sense. the only ones that could fit the description of staying with alliance would be the ones to help found theramore who are now dead

and we know this makes no sense because ‘high elves’ were fighting to reclaim the land and some were protesting mana draining from living beings long after the renaming. so we know blood/high live together and that only SOME were exiled. even more recently auric and the elves under his charge have returned and he represents them. a couple individuals would seek refuge in alliance cities like stormwind and boralus but were met with cold receptions and get mistaken for blood elves everywhere they went. thats where your 6 easter eggs over 18 years of the game come from. but thats about it for you guys. a couple

correct. so theres an entire gap as i said from WoW-wrath thats uncovered

yes so did the sunreavers. thats how aethas gets on the council and is able to lobby for dalaran to reestablish relations with quel’thalas. so how did vereesa get her rangers? did she make some big show in silvermoon and lorthemar exiled her? and took some farstriders who didnt want to leave to serve the horde campaign in northrend with her? who the hell knows its never explored

she doesnt have to ‘live’ there to visit. weve already seen her come back to quel’thalas in the game itself

no clue what youre citing

probably why she got exiled

tiger adepts in the monk hall and even the paladin recruits in legion who all had blood elf voice lines

theres alot more then lanesh going back years and confirmation from danuser that there is a story for them implies differently lmao

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Since Warcraft 2 there were hundreds if not entire divisions of elves left for the lodges all over the Eastern Kingdoms in an effort to help the Alliance. High Elven Farstriders and those who disagreed with Thalassian policy, did not all return to Quel’thelas after its fall. Some remained outside of it and especially in and around Dalaran. Vereesa collected as many like-minded elves and built a faction out of those in her area.

She also built up her faction in the interim period post giving birth while Rhonin led the city.

You keep making this error. WE DON’T KNOW THAT SOME HIGH ELVES CHOSE TO REMAIN IN QUEL’THELAS WITH THEIR BLOOD ELVEN BROTHERS. What we do know is that they specifically weren’t welcomed because they refused the policies and actions of the established authority and the point of renaming themselves and adopting their stances as Kael’thas mandated. Why logically would they remain?

That defeats their division after Kael’thas renamed them and started demanding the Blood Elves to drain mana from living beings to sustain their people. Those that didn’t abide this policy were exiled because Lorthemar didn’t have the heart to execute the protesting elves. They were instructed to leave for other cities or the forests beyond Quel’thelas.

These are the elves that eventually many started coalescing around Vereesa because the High Elves wanted to go somewhere and belong to a community that protested against the actions their families have chosen. Especially as efforts started being made by Blood Elves to be welcomed in Dalaran.

Once again. Nothing in the lore suggests that Lorthemar allowed some high elves who refused to change their name to remain in Quel’thelas and tolerate the internal divisions they would stoke by refusing to drain living beings. He certainly couldn’t afford such divisions just after the Third War. He logically couldn’t have it in Silvermoon, High Elves insisting to follow tradition and protesting his policies was just something that couldn’t be tolerated. As we see in BC for those that adopted the Blood Elven positions, but not completely his administration simply brainwashed into compliance.

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If Blizzard wants to portray the high elves as a very rare sight on Alliance, they’ve done an absolutely terrible job at it.

Quel’thalas belongs to blood elves.

Except for Velen’s beach chair.

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Lor’themar tried to welcome high elves home. They were stupid and indignant and refused him. Source: That short story before WotLK came out.

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Except he didn’t.

In the story, he offered them aid, and they threw it in his face after pointing out they’d never, ever accept help from the Horde, the same Horde that had Nathanos sending Horde soldiers to commit slaughter at their lodge.

Lor’themar never had the chance to ask that single lodge to return. They burned that bridge themselves at the first opportunity.

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please show me anything in the lore or a dev quote that says all modern high elves are exiles or ‘just stayed away’

Some high elves were exiled from Quel’Thalas after the Third War.[14] Other high elf remnants have chosen to rejoin the Alliance in recent years, arriving to a cold reception.[2] Modern high elves are a rare sight, and are commonly mistaken for blood elves.[15][16 High elves did not gather in any significant numbers and are a very small group of individuals. [2]

if anyone cared that some elves didnt rename for w.e reason they would have been exiled LONG before rommath came back from outland with the mana vampire teachings(DUH). the protests were specifically for the mana vampirism aspect

and again i just posted the citation that clearly states SOME were exiled not ALL

here is the difference between some and all since you clearly dont know

SOME-pronoun

  • an unspecified number or amount of people or things.
  • at least a small amount or number of people or things.

ALL-pronoun

  • used to refer to the whole quantity or extent of a particular group or thing.

you have nothing to cite to make a claim that ALL high elves were exiled and no longer living in quel’thalas. thats helfers gaslighting and trolling the forums

because its their home. where their friends and family live lmao

the lodge elves that were banished did not want to leave. THEY WERE FORCED TO LEAVE :joy:

the only ones we know for sure who were exiled for protests in quel’thalas are the lodge elves

and then again devs have clarified for us multiple times that the alliance only have a couple not sure what dalaran has to do with a couple alliance high elves in stormwind. you and i cant say they are wrong. its over anyway you can look like a blood elf now on your preferred faction

go

go make a weak aura so you can push a macro to cancel your void elf racial and unbind spacial rift too if it makes you feel better. nothing you can do about how NPCs address you by race tho

no that wasnt the purpose of their visit. but when they found out the sunfury had returned they assumed prince kael had sent him to apologize and probably tell them they are no longer exiled

“So, then.” Renthar’s eyes glittered strangely—he almost reminded Lor’themar of Rommath. “Are you here on the prince’s orders to offer us an official apology?”

“I might be,” Lor’themar answered, “if he were alive.”

If either of the high elves in front of him had looked shocked before, it was nothing compared to their expressions now. The color drained from both their faces.

“Explain, damn you,” Renthar demanded.

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Aside from WoD it is interesting that the high elves have played a part in EVERY expansion. As it is I’m not too afraid the high elves will die out. If anything, I suspect they might get a whole Dragonflight style revival, especially if Alleria become prominent in the story.

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high elves had a presence in wod. lady liadrin was prominent and led a force called the sunsworn

the reliquary were confirmed to be making an appearance next expansion. so theres that at least for high elves

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They are blood elves.

Again blood elves. That would be like saying Kul Tiras has been part of the Alliance since Vanilla when in fact it was only in Bfa that they rejoined.

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how can the exact same race be different. if a member or group of that race makes an appearace then that race is making an appearance

no its like saying humans sat out wod because fogsail humans werent invovled

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With Sylvanas out of the picture and Thalyssra whispering sweet nothings into his ear, Lor’themar might be the first to swear allegiances to both the Horde and the Alliance, given his back and forth history on the matter.

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I usually call one ones who call themselves “high elves” “high elves”, and the ones who call themselves “blood elves” “blood elves”, but I’m a simple woman.

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that’s fair, simple, and easily distinguishes the two groups.
my buddy separates them by “Thalassians = blood elves, exiles = void/high elves” but that seems antagonistic to me, even if it’s accurate.

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the problem is they are the same exact thing

when you just say ‘high elves’ it sounds like you are referring to the race as a whole

maybe be more specific and just say alliance ‘high elves’

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Why would I say that?

It’s a whole extra two syllables of unnecessary information… unless there’s a Horde elf calling themselves a high elf I don’t know about.

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why the hell do people type ThErE ArE HiGh ElVeS aNd BlOoD ElVeS iN TeLoGrUs RiFt. like it matters? same damn race so you tell me

if i want to refer to all humans i just say humans. i dont type stormwind/kul tiras/gilneas/stromgarde/alterac/dalaran humans. i just say humans. if i need to get specific ill type uldum wastewander humans

if you want to refer to the race in the past tense i will too. just saying high elves isnt specific tho and implies the race as a whole

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Fair enough.

I get specific when it helps a discussion-- say, modern high elves (“people calling themselves high elves”) vs historical high elves (“the people formerly known as high elves who are now mostly calling themselves blood elves”).

I’m just saying it’s parsimonious and lore accurate to use the nomenclature of the game itself when it doesn’t need clarification.

Like, for instance, “Isn’t it interesting that there’s both high elves and blood elves in Telogrus Rift?” or “high elves are allowed to visit the Sunwell.”

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i mean if we are being real here high elves are blood elves. the vast majority of high elves are blood elves to the point alliance high elves are constantly assumed to be blood elves

in the rift do you think any of them even cares? they would just call each other by their name

its just a personal belief

Does Alleria still consider herself a high elf? Can one be both a high elf and a void elf?

Characters in Azeroth don’t think in terms of customization options or gameplay choices.

Alleria is a child of Quel’Thalas and a solider of the Alliance. She returned after 1000 years to find most of her surviving kin switched political affiliation. Didn’t change who she is.-Steve Danuser

i mean you guys keep making the political distinction into this big deal but when asked Is AlLeRiA a HiGh ElF oR A VoId ElF danuser was like ‘dude shes a child of quel’thalas’ no matter what who cares doesnt change who she is’

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Honestly, I’m just trying to have a discussion. If I type in high elf, pretty much everyone knows what that means. Also true of blood elves.

Tyrande is from Suramar, but I’m not going to complicate matters by calling her a Highborn or Nightborn.

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a high elf is a blood elf. idk what you want to hear

and tyrande isnt a nightborne