PvP Tuning Changes for June 9

[Dark-blackrock (Dark)]

@Christína-sargeras

now you’re screwing me in the one thing I have left

mw will still be the best healer in the game, going from 55 to 1:15 cd is really really not going to matter at all

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

@Kaivax

Versatile’s effectiveness has been reduced by 33% when engaged in combat with enemy players.

Remove the rotation.

Refund 75%+ of echoes when removing a corruption or scrapping a corrupted item.

Buff echo gains in general so it’s easier to try out different builds or change them after nerfs.

Also remove vessels and let people rapidly catch up on corruption resistance instead of limiting cores per week. This could also give us a faster way to farm echoes.

[Rawrzy-sargeras (Rawrzy)]

Odd changes outside of the Cocoon one, however I still believe no matter how much they mess with corruptions the biggest issue is still spec design.

Fix the design of the oppressive specs being able to make so many mistakes without much window for punishment, buff the lowest tier up a bit to bring back some counters that are healthy for the overall ladder and everything will improve.

[Allmìght-malganis]

I appreciate the intent here; however, this will not speed up the pace of the game at all. Yes, Mistweaver cocoon needed an adjustment, but nerfing Versatile simply slows down all damage. It is also clear that these changes are in response to the tournaments, which is fine, but Warlocks are heavily responsible for the pacing of arena right now. Every game almost requires a warlock to be on the team, and they slow down the game more than any corruption. We need blizzard to look at Warlocks to correct the pacing of arena.

I also want to mention that having a rotation on corruption and nerfing them like this is a little frustrating. AWC games have been going to deep dampening even before corruptions. A lot of this is due to neglected class changes. Please reconsider how we do changes if you are looking to speed up the pace of arena.

[Dark-blackrock (Dark)]

@Rawrzy-sargeras

Fix the design of the oppressive specs being able to make so many mistakes without much window for punishment

hot take here

destro locks that think because they have no mobility they need to be tank specs are as stupid as legion frost dks that justified doing 30% more damage than any other spec because they “had no mobility”

[Rawrzy-sargeras (Rawrzy)]

@Dark-blackrock

destro locks that think because they have no mobility they need to be tank specs are as stupid as legion frost dks that justified doing 30% more damage than any other spec because they “had no mobility”

100% agreement here

[Thellendir-sargeras (Thellendir)]

@Jehoma-frostmane

Can’t water it down any more than that, I’m afraid. Maybe try reading it again once you hit middle-school.

you were not watering it down at all. it was just a horrible analogy. hence what i said

@Jehoma-frostmane

Semantics.

not really. im showing how you have no idea how other classes, or even your own, work.

@Jehoma-frostmane

Paladin gets a baseline stun on a 60 sec CD, and either an AoE blind OR a non-spammable repentance. All dispellable.

so its most cc. all fears (except warrior) are dispellable. poly is dispellable. mind control is dispellable/purgable.

@Jehoma-frostmane

If you want a lower CD on the stun (50 sec), then you must forego both blind and repent. Low mobility.

no it doesnt make the stun 50 seconds. it makes it 30 seconds if you play right. every judgement reduces it by 10 seconds.

@Jehoma-frostmane

Druid gets a baseline spammable root

which is dispellable and there are many ways to get out of. also i rarely at high ratings see druids cast this. its very niche compard to hoj/rep/blinding light

@Jehoma-frostmane

a talented stun on a 50 sec CD

yes i already said they can talent into this. we compared this to your talents as hpal already that you talent into

@Jehoma-frostmane

and a spammable cyclone that can’t be dispelled.

you have to talent into this through pvp talents

@Jehoma-frostmane

They’re immune to polymorph

yea no one likes that except people who play with druids

@Jehoma-frostmane

can talent into Thorns which essentially forces a target-swap

so does ultimate sac/bop ???

@Jehoma-frostmane

Mistweaver gets a baseline AoE stun on a 60 sec CD

yes so does paladin lmao. hoj is way better imo. legsweep the healer has to be right on top of people to use. 10 yard range. cant be missed like legsweep. cant be dodged even by evasion/die by the sword/ blur/ fists of fury / etc

@Jehoma-frostmane

a talented Ring of Peace

ok thats great. again you get to talent into cc too. this isnt an argument

@Jehoma-frostmane

We must be playing different games…

yea probably. i push glad in bfa casually each season for fun and you dont have a 1750 achieve in 3s lmao

@Jehoma-frostmane

Why not treat yourself to a Holy Paladin alt, given how they’re head-and-shoulders above every other healer, according to you.

literally never said they are head and shoulders over every healer. MW is by far the top healer atm. hpal is undeniably tier 1 though and most likely the second best healer atm. I was suggesting nerfs that would bring their abilities more in line like they were in past expansions. tbh I felt like they were pretty lenient nerfs too considering hpals almost never oom, have multiple get out of jail free cards, and can top people with a single heal.

[Exalter-malganis (Exalter)]

You forgot rake stun and then thorns when you finally reach the lock

[Grev-malganis]

Pushing 400 replies

Hopefully by Monday we can get at least get an acknowledgement on destro locks

[Nazmeer-bleeding-hollow]

Nerf demon hunters please

[Rez-dark-iron]

@Kaivax

As always, we’ll let you know if there are any further changes to be made, or adjustments to those above, and we’ll report the final live changes

I’ll help you out dawg!

Vitality Conduit (Essence) healing is now reduced by mortal wound effects and damping.

Warlock
Destruction

• • Entrenched in Flame (PvP Talent) now reduces movement speed by 50% for 3 seconds instead of rooting.
• • Focused Chaos (PvP Talent) now increases Chaos Bolt damage by 15%, down from 65%.
• • Nether Ward (PvP talent) now has a 1 min cooldown, up from 45 seconds.
• • Soul Leech is now dispelable.

Priest

Holy

• • Holy Ward (PvP Talent) duration reduced to 8 seconds, down from 30.
• • Greater Heal (PvP talent) mana cost increased to 12% of base mana, up from 4%.

DIsc

• • Dark Archangel (PvP talent) Passive added: Healing done by Penance is now increased by 15%.

Mage
All

• • Shimmer now only works with damaging spells and abilities.
• • Kleptomania (PvP Talent) now has a 1 min cooldown, up from 30 seconds.
• • Temporal Shield (PvP Talent) now has a 1 min cooldown, up from 45 seconds.

Fire

• • Greater Pyroblast (PvP Talent) now has a 15 second cooldown.

Frost

• • Deep Shatter (PvP Talent) now increases the damage done by Frostbolt by 125% at all times.

Demon Hunters
Havoc

• • Rain from Above (PvP Talent) now has a 2 min cooldown, up from 1 min.
• • Mana Rift (PvP Talent) now destroys 4% of the targets mana down from 8%, damage left unchanged.

Monks
All

• • Grapple Weapon (PvP Talent) now has a 1 min cooldown, up from 45 seconds.

Mistweaver

• • Chrysalis (PvP Talent) now reduces the cooldown of Life Cocoon by 25 seconds (was 45 seconds).
• • Counteract Magic (PvP Talent) now increases Renewing Mist’s Heals by 100%, down from 135%.
• • Healing Sphere (PvP Talent) now has a 25 second recharge, up from 15 seconds.

Windwalker

• • Turbo Fist (PvP Talent) now increases the Monk’s chance to parry by 50%, down from 100%.

Rogue

• • Dagger in the Dark (PvP Talent) now increases all damage you do to the target by 3%, for the next 45 seconds. Stacks up to 5 times.

Druids
All

• • Thorns (PvP Talent) now has a 1 min cooldown, up from 45 seconds.
• • Conflict and Strife (Essence) now grants the ability Cyclone instead of Thorns

Balance

• • Moonkin Aura (PvP Talent) now increases your damage by 15%.
• • Celestial Guardian (PvP Talent) now increases healing received by 15%, down from 20%.

Feral

• • King of the Jungle (PvP Talent) now also increases the druid’s health by 5%, stacking 3 times.

Guardian

• • Demoralizing Roar (PvP Talent) now reduces enemy damage by 10%, down from 20%.

Hunter
Beast Mastery

• • Wild Protector (PvP Talent) now also increases the damage your pets do by 15% when within 10 yards of an ally.

Survival

• • Tracker’s Net (PvP Talent) now also reduced the Focus cost of Wing Clip by 90%.
• • Viper Sting (PvP Talent) now also drains 4% of the target’s mana over it’s duration.

Marksmanship

• • Trueshot Mastery (PvP Talent) also increases the damage done by Steady Shot by 25%.

Shaman
Elemental

• • Control of Lava (PvP Talent) removed.
• • Skyfury (PvP Talent) now gives your Flame shocks damage over time a 10% chance to reset the remaining cooldown on Lava burst.
    Lava Burst Damage is increased by 45%.

Enhancement

• • Ride the Lightning (PvP Talent) no longer breaks targets effected by CC.
• • Ride the Lightning (PvP Talent) increases all nature damage by 15%.

Warrior
Fury

• • Thirst for Battle (PvP Talent) Bloodthrist now also applies the Mortal Wounds debuff to the target.

Paladin
Holy

• • Cleanse the Weak (PvP Talent) no longer removes magical effects.

Retribution

• • Divine Steed is no longer on the GCD.
• • Shield of Vengeance is no longer on the GCD

Death Knight
Unholy

• • Necrotic Aura (PvP Talent) also increases the damage your Death Coil does by an additional 25%.

Frost

• • Necrotic Aura (PvP Talent) also increases your Frost damage by 15%.
• • Chill Streak now does 25% less damage but bounces between targets within 15 yards, up from 6.

[Rainingheals-auchindoun]

Remove PvE Trinkets!!!

[Abombanation-darkspear (Abombanation)]

That’s a super solid list and what real changes should look like. Just would add DH leech nerfed they have to much sustain.

[Hogx-darkspear (Hogx)]

I wish I could still downvote this flaming bag of crap post and changes.

No one at blizz even plays their own game.

[Covlol-illidan]

@Rez-dark-iron

• • Tracker’s Net (PvP Talent) now also reduced the Focus cost of Wing Clip by 90%.
• • Viper Sting (PvP Talent) now also drains 4% of the target’s mana over it’s duration.

These would be super op, I like it!

[Overdoneäpm-bleeding-hollow (Overdoneäpm)]

@Kaivax

Versatile’s effectiveness has been reduced by 33% when engaged in combat with enemy players.

lol, But it’s the PvP stat in the first place.

Doesn’t this just make PvE’ers with their PvE BiS more empowered against people trying to actually enjoy PvP?

Ugh… Starting to regret buying Shadowlands, not sure if Blizzard gets it in any way whatsoever.

[Indulge-arthas (Indulge)]

90% damp today in AWC. gg blizz cucks

[Salana-lightbringer (Salana)]

Awaiting some answers. Farming my echoes tonight for mastery to hope to figure something out for ret in pve but this entire corruption business is just completely out of hand.

[Charging-aggramar (Charging)]

It’s akin to a once great restaurant that was sold to different owners, and now the food is $#!+. Kaivax, I know you’re only the waiter, but please take this god awful plate back to your chef. It is not edible. Thank you.

[Brewtankx-tichondrius-932462]

Now locks can kill everyone because every other spec has less vers? hmm