uh… what? with this logic, anything that plays with mage or spriest would also be s tier. that’s simply not the case. rogues still have great damage to be honest, but even if they didnt, they would still be s tier due to their kit alone.
ah ok so only the comp that places first is s tier 
Still nothing for MW… Pathetic.
Ya, and WW needed about a 10-15% damage reduction in pvp to be balanced. Can’t always get what you want.
So it means they are fine with the damage currently of ww and the tools of arms
Indeed. The Niya soulbind’s 400+ mastery buff needs to be halved (or more), just like Kyrian’s Pelagos was.
That’s what’s causing Convoke’d Starsurges to significantly exceed the ability’s normal damage, because Starsurge double dips mastery during Incarn/Align, making that already huge 400+ buff just silly.
This is the reason we need a refund mechanism on Soul Ash.
Maybe a 90-95% refund mechanism on the Soul Ash only. It would allow people to experiment with different legionaries, and it would still provide a penalty. Of course, it would help people who get stuck in this situation too.
There are a lot of good reasons for a refund mechanism (leggo changes, covenant changes, spec changes, experimenting with different affects, not wanting to rely on Icy Veins, etc), and a lot of ways to make it work without making it something people would abuse.
id rather see some nerfs that are not over done and maybe some more tuning the following week. these are overall good changes.
Oh but that tiny Hpal nerf is going to really shift the healer meta…
Ok Blizzard you nerf us again because of tears of conglomerate of mediocre 1100-rated players who can’t raise their index, because they don’t even know how to use their own class and you, punish us for the ineffectiveness of many, you really don’t learn Blizzard, since the end of Warlords you have drowned the paladin in the trash, and you don’t give a damn while the tears of many disabled people flood you forums because they don’t know how to kill a paladin, “bravo!! Blizzard bravo!!” (Sarcasm) continue like this, Yesterday i no longer renew my suscription and now with this news, less, pure waste whit you Blizzard, do not learn, UPLOAD THE OTHER CLASS VERSUS NERF US, DELAYED!!! 
Wow, blizzard actually made some PvP balancing after 50days of Season start xD
Now nerf WW dmg a bit, Combust ( and compensate with permanent dmg buff), also nerf Intervene duration
lmaoo na bro
Its still the best leggo for them tho.
My cov ability was gutted on rogue, do i get instant refund? No i haveto work my butt off and change covs
Virtually the first real patch note of the entire expansion.
I’ll still compare convoke to Fae Transfusion though, and laugh at how incredibly bias’d the designers were/are toward druids. 
I suppose their tactic (not inherently a bad one either) for this expac is letting damage be high but nerfing obnoxious outliers. Explains why rng full moon is gone but starsurge untouched, ww untouched, focus on triune for fmage etc. We shall see if the game is better for it
Will be in the trash
Covenant abilities aren’t time gated. It can take weeks to recover from a leggo being nerfed.
I’m not suggesting a full refund. I would like to see a 90-95% refund mechanism that didn’t return the base item or the missives. Make it expensive, but make it possible.
Right now, you can’t even test a different leggo in PvP or Raid without sinking a week+ into it. You can only go by what Icy Veins or Raidbots suggests. It can be improved with a refund mechanism.
bro how is WW untouched ROFL
Should be lower like 33 or 25%
Nothing wrong with WW.
wtf are u talking about sub being S, you must be kidding. Literally the only good comp with sub is mage cuz mage is the best spec rn. Sub is bad with any other spec, as it showed in AWC with pikaboo suffering to win as rps against tier 2~3 teams. Furthermore, rogue sub have the worst gameplay rn, you have to run pillars to re-stealth and just stun off DR cuz that’s your job, let the mage to all the dmg.
In 2s, rogue barely works and it must be with a spec that can do a lot dmg like: mage, ret, spriest, disc, and pala venthyr.
Every other healer is dogsh** cuz we can’t do enough dmg alone. Rogue rn is not fun, you can say that sub is tier S because of the number of rogues in ladder, but it has always been dominant, that’s a wrong argument.
btw, rogue sub is one of the most difficult specs in the game, now with the nerfs ins last month, it’s not anyone that can one-shot you and in every other situation, it’s a normal class.
Tbh, rogues are tier A, they are no EVEN close to rets, wars, mages and wws.