Okay, well unless you have posted to me directly, i would not expect such a thing. I dont read every comment in every thread that i post in, especially if they go on for days.
i dont think there is either, but i don’t currently write it off.
Which is why you’ll generally see me claim that something is up, however, i remain unconvinced that it is player driven, even after your post. Its great that you sat down and looked into how ELO is calculated, however, what you are doing is referencing it completely idealized sense, while you admit that we don’t even know how blizz is doing their calculations. What we do know for sure is that it is majorly overhauled w/ the way that starting ratings work (pretty impactful and relevant to everything that you’ve claimed), and that MMR is layered on top which also affects the calculations. We also know that blizz treats the brackets differently, with solo shuffle being exceptionally unique. All of this introduces doubt into the system.
Three major issues that i have:
These are all strong claims. and while im not saying that they can’t be true, what evidence do you have of all of these things? These are definitive statements. is there data that i can look at that backs this up?
We know that win trading works on the blizzard ladders. The same players going 50/50 against themselves increase the ratings of both teams. No additional unique players required. This single handedly derails your entire theory regarding unique players. Even in the most extremely isolated scenario, players going 5050 against each other see rating inflation, and shuffle has the highest quantities of LOBBIES (not just rounds) played
How do you explain shuffles ceiling in comparison to 2s and 3s which are played far, far less, and almost certainly would suffer FAR MORE from a lack of casual players?
I have a hard time seeing any of this as much more than a theory as it stands. Its possible, but where is the evidence that blizzard is running an idealized ELO system? All of the evidence is to the contrary. that the system is their own beast at this point, which opens the door for just about anything.
u cant really judge a player by their winrate or CR
i met a hunter friend in BGs who always did INSANE damagee and kills, this dude was a survival god doing the most dam i ever seen a surv hunter do in BG. i inspect him and he had insanely bad 3v3 record. so i asked him about it. he ssaid he does 3v3 games with his family members who play very casually. hence the super bad record.
I like your posts a fair bit, but this is pretty cope man. Nas has probably 30-40 posts that require at least an 11th grade reading level (too high for me) about this exact topic. You would have to TRY to not see a SINGLE one of them.
There’s a middle ground between
and noticing 1/40 posts from Nas about this topic that has been included in almost every single thread.
Im not claiming that ive never seen them before. The reason that i made that comment was b/c hes replying directly to me, expecting me to have a full understanding of his break down and how it relates to whatever i said.
Just talk to me directly w/ whatever it is that you disagree with. how am i supposed to engage with a comment referencing other threads w/ no link, no quote etc.
Neither is Blizzard. I truly do not believe that a single person @ the company has any understanding of the system or its original implementation. I firmly believe that it is just a massive “beast” that they do not unravel and artificially inflate and deflate.
We’re talking about a company that struggles to do even some of the more basic things, like actually submitting the buffs that they said they would. Or not giving us ret 10.1.5 or w/e.
I fully believe that they don’t even know how it actually works. I don’t know of another ELO system that works as bad, or has as massive of swings as Blizzard’s.
Imagine Magnus Carlsen just being 3500 rated this year cause the ELO system got inflated
Id be surprised if they dont have any controls in place to play with this.
I looked this up out of curiosity and it looks like chess has seen mild inflation over many decades. Nothing like the WoW system that totally runs away and is half controlled by the seasons just ending eventually
based on drustvar, in the past 2 days there was 10k shuffle games, 2k bgb games, and 5000 3s matches played, why is shuffle having a lower “top rating” than the other 2 game modes… by several hundred? in the case of BGB over 600 rating differential?
I think this system where you try to forecast participation in game modes has gotta go. Detatch rewards from rating so people can continue to work towards their rewards even if you flub the forecast.
Always funny and sad to read how some 3s rats still do anything to keep shuffle mmr low, acting like shuffle destroyed 3s population.
Dear devs, will you finally fix mmr in shuffle? The top player of the most popular and active PvP bracket shouldn’t be 200 rating below the top 3s players. If anything, they should be 200 rating ahead!
You made it basically impossible to even dream of achieving legend right now, while some people got glad in the 1st/2nd week of the season. Maybe think about that and if that is really what you want for the game and the players who are not paying to be frustrated!
