Blizzard breaking their own games again, as a retaliation for the ban bot wave that we BEGGED them for (they lost hundreds of thousands of dollars from that). GG, still not buying shadowlands.
If Blizzard would Poll the community about things like this, they could allocate resources more effectively. Imagine if they spent more time on the bots instead of this change that nobody wanted.
Also, since no changes is out the window can we please get some kodo sounds?
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This hotfix is a big mistake. 8+ hours of pvp a day was not enough, we need to have 18 hours of pvp a day for rank 14?
You guys considering putting a lockout on BGs? The bracket inflating is a win win situation for everyone involved. Returning to pre bracket inflating honor grinding is going to have a dangerous effect on some of your customer’s lifes, and for what? To make rank 14 more ‘prestigious’?
Blizzard’s recommendation to play in recommendation and go outside from time to time ring hollow
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Then you should support a meaningful change to the honor system, not just being allowed to exploit to make the system suck slightly less.
The vanilla pvp ranking system is quite possibly the worst progression system ever in a game. It causes competition among teammates and people to play to the point of self harm. A lot of people only started the ranking process, to whatever goal they had in mind, after seeing that the brackets had been inflated. Their work is now thrown out the window unless they substantially increase how much they play. This is not a good change to have pop up with no notice.
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Blizzard gave you 6 days notice.
Given that ranking is calculated on a weekly cycle, this is the equivalent of no notice. You know this, but likely don’t care.
/shrug it saved people 6 days of grinding honor if they realized they wouldn’t be able to get the rank they wanted with the exploit removed.
Just asking here who things the PVP system in classic wow should be changed to the currency system before the pre patch in fact I would even make an argument please change it to the currency system.
Next Reset speaking from somebody that plays not even casually I PVP on average 7 to 8 hours A-day every single day. Yes am I one of those no life hardcore people that can play 14 hours A-day no.
Am I a 100% top ranker no in fact i would you make an argument if they had done 3 changes undershell II think it would have been fine.
Change one Get rid of the 20% to Gratian it’s not healthy is not good it needs to go away the fact that people were doing this is proof of that.
Change to make an honor cap say you get a million honor for the week you’re done no more honor and on top of that you get to rain 13.
As for rank 14 I would say another million honor it may sound extreme but at least it’s reachable it’s not utterly pointless because eventually it may take you a while but you will get there eventually.
Change number 3 Make it so that it you have I can have unlimited amount of grand marshals and high warlords when you get there you get their congratulations gold star.
That’s what I think they should have done and initially but it’s kind of a mute point.
By the way I do apologize for my badd spelling I’m doing my best
But I’m pretty sure all of us at least to a certain degree can agree that the pavey P system is the worse part of classic wow.
It’s not healthy mentally or physically even the game itself has told tips that literally car decked it and no matter how hard core you are with raiding when you’re done for the week you’re done.
And when and if you do get grand Marshal it’s not a feeling of congratulatory accomplishment it’s a Relief Even worse makes it to where you never want to do it again.
Which is sad because here’s the thing and all the PVP I’ve done have I had some games where I’ve legitimately had fun yes I’ve had a ton of it in fact.
No matter how much a system can be find the biggest problem is the faction imbalances horrible AV has a 1% win rate for alliance and huge queues for horde.
And honestly even the queues are getting longer for alliance now by the way Not our mind you but it’s getting there.
Have I had fun in each one of the battle ground’s to a degree and when they’re good they’re amazing but the problem is those games are the so spread out most games it’s just I have to get that 10 more honor that 100 more honor.
Sometimes the point where I feel so mentally exhausted it’s like I can’t keep my eyes open anymore but I just have to get that done otherwise aminah lose my rank and it’s Constantly praise on you it’s so monotonous you just stopped carrying its like is that even worth it but in my case.
In my server at least When I get on when I can it’s surely East late server so there is no pugs or anything going on and jelly the only time I can do anything with my Guild mates are on the weekend so.
I really don’t have much else to do except well unfortunately PVP that’s the best mode I have her character progression.
I think that the currency system should be implemented with the next reset I would even make an argument before face 6.
For a very important reason I might add Like it or not people are leaving classic Is that to say that other people will not join know but we’re gonna get to the point where places like upper BlackRock spire when you hit 60.
Necessary progression points I might add people just aren’t gonna run I feel if they were bring the currency system in during face 6.
Not the pre patch when next ceramics launches what you would have is an ability for sixties fresh sixties to have some geredeh fill in those slots that they otherwise would fell now is that the same power level no.
But let’s be honest tanks especially fresh are always going to want to get their thunder fairies.
Terry Warriors and retribution paladins are always gonna wanna get the onslaught gertil.
There’s going to be reasons to fill and those Slots.
So people will still have a reason to run those old raids just for less pieces on top of that I would make an argument is good as that gear is it is primarily meant for DPS and is not best in slot for everything.
So you’ll still need the at tanking pieces from those old raids to fill in the gaps could you use the PVP gear as fillers though yes.
Does it make places like upper BlackRock spire worthless aside from Getting your attunement for blackwing lair.
Yeah but on the same man which one’s worse having A PVP system that gives players Especially new players a chance to jump into PVP maybe have some fun and get PVP gear.
And actually have a hope of progressing or getting to 60 because they decided stick it out in figuring out I can’t getting where I can’t find any groups for the necessary places to get the pieces I need to fill in so I can get into the other raids.
Especially with people leaving classic on mass I’ve heard quite a few people say things like when Max remix comes out I just wanna do it once to see I did it and then I’m going to save up 5000 gold for my fine out in wait for BC.
Me personally when I played for mila I never got to do next ramis I never got to do blackwing lair and I never got to do MC my Guild was casual Enough where the only raid I ever got to do was zg.
I can tell you I lived in upper BlackRock spire as well and undead stat.
For the record I never once saw the mount drop But at least I can say I loved every minute of it and had fun with those people I can say though the only reason I never took part in the PVP system is because well.
Everyone told me you have to PVP so much and if you even can’t do it for a week you lose all the progression you make.
I can tell you from a player’s standpoint that had do that grind to 60 it’s not font I mean nobody wants to hear a system like that.
And I’m not alone I’ve seen videos of ton of high ranking pvp Players that were doing arena like to be twos and things of that nature even saying yeah this PVP system is broken.
Nobody wants this in the game nobody needs this in the game I say we scrap the system I do for mad for anyone that is close to rank 14 but over all I think the game would benefit especially with a getting harder and harder to rank.
The question I would ask those people is this what’s worse being stuck at rank 12 or 11 or just doing an ongoing grind were you never have a hope to ever get to rank 14.
At the very least you can get the gear from the rank and say you’re done finally at least in a sense.
Anyway that’s my 2 cents on the matter my apologies to anyone they can’t understand my spelling I know.
I’m not a good speller I’m doing my best I’ll let me clarify I am not an idiot Nor my mentally retarded And no I’m not Chinese either.
I am a player I’ve been a player since vanilla on and off for 15 years I love this game I’ve been saddened by some of the changes and Like many want to fall back in love with it again.
I was one of those people when I saw the delay I’d say personally delay it till January I would rather have that blizzard Polish then settle for anything.
Half done Anyway just my 2 cents on the matter I hope you all have a good night
I like the current system, so long as the pools are big and inflated. Currency system sounds lame to me. I prefer leveling up with points and not collecting coins and spending them on gear.
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Such a bad change please reconsider
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of course. I did not see the word slightly on my first read through of your reply. Backet inflaction was not a slight improvement. Honor grinding in the high ranks required at least 14+ hours a day six days a week. Every server differs, but I would not be shocked to see 18 hours a day 7 days a week for a month to go from r13 to r14.
Bracket inflation reduced that time noticeably. The time commitment is still big under backet inflation, but players could actually tend to their physical and emotional needs outside the game and still rank.
I am disappointed at Blizz’s decision to enforce toxic and unhealthy play time to achieve in game achievements. I am not a ranker, but I have guild mates that did rank to lvl 14. I don’t understand why Blizz would want an in game system that requires the play time commitment leveling to rank 14 requires.
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Could blizzard have an employee test the pvp honor system grind to rank 14 and not run afoul of labor laws? Without bracket inflation, I doubt blizz could have a single employee, without account sharing, legally able to work the hours required to test their system on a live classic server.
Blizz, you are aware of how addictive your quality product is. You know that there are customers that will put achieving rank 14 ahead of their personal health. Removing bracket inflation WILL have a real detrimental affect on some of your customer’s health. Is this the customer’s fault? They certainly share blame, but you can reduce the negative impact your game will have on some of your players health. This is real world health benefit without loss of profit.
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Is all your 12k posts of you arguing with others? Why do you keep poppin back up. You’re like a pimple. Why don’t you go play or something and go away. There’s always that one kid in class. I wanna see input from others and discuss not keep having to see you over and over on every thread. Shooooooooo.
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I wonder if this thread is going to become locked at some point, so much complaining activity happening in here.
So discuss why you think abusing an exploit is an acceptable solution as opposed to actually fixing the honor system.
The point is that they’re not going to fix it. Naxx is coming out very soon and TBC soon after, why invest the effort?
The complaining in this thread is because the community found a “solution” to make it less toxic (though still plenty of effort tbh) and it’s ridiculously lame to break that solution for the benefit of nobody.
You’re all over this thread whining at people who are rightfully frustrated and it’s not clear what your goal is. Do you have a dog in this fight? Certainly sounds like not. In which case, please keep your nose in business that actually pertains to you.
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Hmm… i think generally fixing the honor system not just allowing abusing an exploit to make it a little less toxic is a pretty decent point to make.
I also wonder how many of the people whining about this bug fix were also #nochangers when it was brought up early on how horrible the honor system was.
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You keep talking about #nochangers as if you think it was some majority within the community. I have no evidence in either direction, but I doubt you do either.
I’m sure most rankers at least would have been quite happy to have the ranking system improved. You’re right that it’s a “decent point to make” that we should hope for an improved system rather than the reliance on exploit-like mechanics to balance the grind, if we were arguing about this discussion a year ago instead of now. It has little value today, when we know the system won’t be improved.
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We did argue about this a year ago, I’m wondering how many of the people whining about blizzard fixing this exploit argued against doing something about the honor system then.