PvP is on the wrong path... not sure if it can recover

[Snowcrest-cenarius]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Arena is much more captivating and interesting

[Sodachuggerx-stormrage]

Don’t think anything will ever feel worse than second half of last season or last month of season1 for me

[Jeesuz-sargeras]

I agree 100% with everything you’ve said, OP.

I think current class design and class identity is a huge problem (I miss MoP era class design).

I feel like too many classes can do everything now… It makes the game and meta feel super bland.

This Xpac especially, I feel like wins/losses in arenas are more about PVE (zug-zug) rather than outplay, setup, etc. The days of control and strategy in arenas are long gone.

Lastly, one of the most annoying mechanics of arena (i’ve always hated and it seems waaay more prevelant now) is hiding behing pillars/running away. Like, I get it, that’s how you need to win, but it just feels awful and toxic IMO. Maybe this is due to the evolving classes and the arena maps not really changing over the past decade?

[Sodachuggerx-stormrage]

@Jeesuz-sargeras

I think current class design and class identity is a huge problem (I miss MoP era class design).

I feel like too many classes can do everything now

This is pretty contradictory

[Gulbanned-guldan]

“Theres too much cc and damage”

“I miss MoP”

[Uglybaldbaby-moon-guard]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Hybrids taking a backseat to non-hybrids in healing

Until hybrids do significantly less damage than pure classes, who cares?

[Uglybaldbaby-moon-guard]

@Sodachuggerx-stormrage

Don’t think anything will ever feel worse than second half of last season or last month of season1 for me

Dragonball expansion has been terrible since the ret rework. We need to go back.

[Vãrick-emerald-dream (Vãrick)]

@Adroi-tichondrius

kicking is more risky than just eating the spell

while also impotent. 3s is nothing.

[Dabdaddy-dawnbringer]

@Jethalex-azuresong

almost 300 topics created and all of them complaints. just let that sink in.

rookie numbers

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Uglybaldbaby-moon-guard

Until hybrids do significantly less damage than pure classes, who cares?

Think this through for a minute. Hybrids have healing while you have MS. Damage should obviously be comparable.

@Vãrick-emerald-dream

while also impotent. 3s is nothing.

Yea, in most cases it really isn’t.

@Jeesuz-sargeras

I feel like too many classes can do everything now… It makes the game and meta feel super bland.

Yea, pretty much. Too many specs with MS. Too many specs with healing. Almost everyone has pretty substantial burst.

PvE is really driving this unfortunately.

[Kynladoria-maladath]

As someone who’s been playing the game for like 16 years at this point, I gotta say, PVP has never been good. It’s never been balanced. Classic proved that, it continues to prove that, and will continue to prove that.

Not that things can’t be improved, but I’m tired of seeing complaints like this is a new thing.

I dunno, maybe I’m lucky I’m built different and do not care about high rated PVP. I just get my mog and my enchant and I don’t take it too serious. Having reached my goal on 6 characters now and working on others, PVP feels fine to me.

[Megawise-tichondrius]

He’s not wrng here

[Loldead-moonrunner]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Yea. I would much rather uptime being more meaningful than always having uptime. At some point the philosophy changed so that mobility was an ‘always on’ thing and if you wanted to prevent someone from getting to you, it was actively being done by CC. So if a target isn’t in CC (like roots), than the target was on you. This has really divided the specs into specs with ample mobility or ranged attacks and those that… well, don’t.

This won’t change though, until raid design changes. The rooms are a lot bigger than in the old days and there’s way more mechanics that require classes to feel like a racing simulator.

I don’t agree with that shift but I can’t do anything about it and the PvE community is fine with it so we’re stuck.

[Adroi-tichondrius]

Definitely agree. It’s why I think PvP may not recover. I think the direction PvE is driving the game is some what antithetical to how PvP has been built traditionally. Maybe PvP will evolve, but it’s starting to feel more and more like PvE where damage is all that matters.

[Mopwarrior-sargeras]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Well, at least I post on my main.

[Gulbanned-guldan]

@Adroi-tichondrius

Hybrids have healing while you have MS.

Not every pure dps has an MS. Weird take

[Adroi-tichondrius]

@Gulbanned-guldan

Not every pure dps has an MS. Weird take

Not a weird take.

I didn’t say every pure dps has an MS, but that has often been the case.

[Gulbanned-guldan]

Mages dont, only one lock spec has a reliable MS, DK doesnt unless you count necrotic which is so-so.

And for hybrids both feral and SP have an MS

[Aniquilador-darrowmere]

rogues and healers are over power their stund last forefer an prist healer dont died please help me to do a comment on isla of the conquest once you lose the hangar game is a rutine to lose

[Adroi-tichondrius]

One spec?

Hunter and rogue don’t have a reliable ms?