That’s fair.
I usually solo q into BGs. Some are wins; some are losses. Queuing into a premade of multiple 5 person parties is disparaging. So, yes, I joined instead of fighting against.
I sometimes also queue regular BGs with friends (up to 5 of us in a party). Well within the game’s systems and we can make a significant difference in the tide of those games.
I guess the real question here is: Is sync queuing parties cheating?
I see it as clever use of systems.
The real problem of EpicBG communities is many seem quite hostile to other communities. And those ones breed toxicity in the game and in the forums.
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My question is, did blizzard remove the ability to form a raid and Que for epics? If they did and people have found a loop hole to circumnavigate the intended changes would that be exploitation?
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i see it as exploitation and cheating the system (:
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Since you have a PvP podcast, and you likely care about the PvP community, I’m struggling to figure out the best way to reply to your question.
It might be more helpful if you explain why you think syncing queues is not cheating.
Blizzard put in a clear matchmaking restriction. When you try to queue for random bgs in a raid group, you get an error message. By syncing queues, you’re purposefully taking steps to circumvent that restriction. When you successfully circumvent that restriction, you gain an unfair advantage over other teams.
I don’t understand when people say that’s not cheating. You’re purposefully circumventing a restriction and gaining an unfair advantage over the other teams in a competition.
Putting the cheating/exploiting part aside, the premade raid activity damages the PvP community. Premade raid vs. pugs games are extremely one-sided and not fun. You can see all the pugs, the replacement pugs, and the replacement replacement pugs leaving your games. You might not see this, but due to premade raids dropping unsynced queue pops, pugs also have games where their team starts half-empty.
If you haven’t seen this before:
https://www.engadget.com/2012-12-05-blizzard-takes-a-stand-against-pre-mades-battleground-groups.html
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Just take whether it is cheating or not off of the table and ask the question: is it good or bad for the overall game?
The answer to that is that it is unquestionably bad for the game. Sure, it is good for the people who do the q-syncing but it is bad for those that don’t and they vastly outnumber those who do.
At least they do, for now. Every week this continues to happen the numbers get closer since those who don’t just start choosing not to participate any more.
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Yeah, and that’s what will make them lose subs for sure. Maybe not significant to you, but then you are not speaking for the majority of the player base. You are speaking for yourself, you seem to have a lot of self-importance for some odd reason.
Really? It’s never important for elitist streamers and people who have forgotten where they all started, and that is right up Blizzards ally because they don’t have to work at PVP, just to the bare minimum.
Well that is easy because Ion said that in his interview which then drove the rated bg folks mad.
You must have been listening to a different interview, it was mainly about that specific BG where GYs were going to be, and how the bg will work. There was a small mention of how it would run similar in other iterations.
It was a very very poor interview. I don’t think you will find a lot of people not agreeing with me on that one.
Thank you for this.
I don’t consider a 12 year old article referencing archived forum posts from an employee who no longer works for the company as accurate information. That said, your comments and @Oozo’s have made me reflect on how my participation in a community that does sync queue into Epic BGs impacts others’ gameplay.
Having played as a solo pug in an BG into a premade, I have felt that decisive loss. After playing for almost 20 years, I decided to join one of these communities mostly because they are a great group of people and I really enjoy playing with them when I do play with them.
Will my not joining premades stop premades from playing? No.
So, I will be selfish and play in a way that makes my game time enjoyable.
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Hence why you will not be good at the game.
The common theme amongst people who premade is that their achieves and things done In the game is remarkably low.
If they spent half the time they spend premading a unrated bracket they may accomplish more in the game other than a temporary ego boost.
And also that is a perfect response to the question “tell me you have no integrity without telling me you have no integrity”
I need to ask a question here. Doesn’t Ruinous run Epic BG premades?
I haven’t seen them run a premade in months. Nor did I join any of their premades when they were doing it.
Come to think of it if you need proof of que syncing you can just go back to ruins shadowlands stream and look at them doing it on hot mic
And also I don’t put a lot of stock in guilds either I’m not even in the guild discord lol
More than half the guild is perma offline anyway people who have not logged on in months.
Only like maybe 40-60 players are online at any given time and that’s on the best day.
But I will say I did watch some of their streams and archaos might be just as bad if not worse than oca when it comes to malding out on people in discord for no reason really.
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id say they are about the same .
The guild tag doesn’t mean much. There are several Ruin guilds out there and most of the people in them aren’t even aware of what the community did/does.
thats fine and dandy but when pvp is dead you guys will know what caused it . I want to be able to enjoy epics again . I honestly dont know how sitting waiting in valdrakken dropping multiple qs for literal hrs is fun to you . only playing 3-4 games a night because you gotta drop 50+ ques to get everyone in the same bg n it takes hrs . to me that isnt fun . Its why i left the communities to ride solo . Ive been there ive done all of that IT ISNT FUN . id rather lose 70000000000x then trying to sit n q sync for hrs .
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I mean they send out mass invites to people who are not even 70 and then do routine mass kicks of people not 70 or not online for a period of time.
So it kind of defeats the purpose.
I guess they just hope at least a few out of those mass invites will actually be on regularely.
It’s the same deal for full premade RBGs. There is an element of fun that comes with playing with a coordinated group of players working together and executing strategies that you can’t get as a solo queue player.
There is a place for raid vs. raid epic BGs. The problem just comes from premades vs. PUGs BGs.
It would be cool if raid vs. raid epic BGs were a thing that was supported in game with an actual team ladder or something. You have wargames, but it is not really supported at all. Of course there could be a community driven epic BG ladder using wargames, but many of these communities just prefer stomping PUGs and really don’t want to test themselves against each other.
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That’s the part I didn’t like. I actually don’t care if people try to sync together into the same instance. It’s the mass queue dropping that I don’t approve of. Not only are you wasting your own time, but you’re screwing over those who you left behind.
Sync to your heart’s content but take your pops!
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Ruin is just too complicated for their own good.
Queue solo. Only real way to queue
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Do you consider the error message you get when you queue for random bgs in a raid group as accurate information?
Yeah, that’s pretty standard for premade raiders. No concern for the pugs they’re roflstomping and driving away from PvP. No respect for the spirit of fair play.
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