Yay <3 you're my favorite blue now.01/10/2018 09:49 AMPosted by YthisensUpped the cap on this one since you guys hit it. :)
Unprune the classes.
Sub and Outlaw Rogues without poisons doesn't make sense. Sub and Assassination without Gouge doesn't make sense.
Why is shiv an honor talent along with smoke bomb when they both once were base line?
Why are so many honor talents not base line to specs and classes?
What is even the point of honor talents?
Sub and Outlaw Rogues without poisons doesn't make sense. Sub and Assassination without Gouge doesn't make sense.
Why is shiv an honor talent along with smoke bomb when they both once were base line?
Why are so many honor talents not base line to specs and classes?
What is even the point of honor talents?
Why not just do the WOD thing where the gear is a certain iL in pve then counts as higher in pvp? Fukn duh??? So we still get 940s from 2k cap but they count as 970s in pvp so no pve lords can come in w 3% more stats. Also get rid of the versa every piece ffs. I like it as WW but just about every other spec despises versa for pve. So simple honesty
I think they were trying to make it feel more like vanilla? Where the gear boundaries weren't as defined... but it just ended up like vanilla, where PvE gear ends up being superior... I don't really get why they didn't at least add a resilience stat or something.01/10/2018 10:15 AMPosted by BabexxWhy not just do the WOD thing where the gear is a certain iL in pve then counts as higher in pvp? Fukn duh??? So we still get 940s from 2k cap but they count as 970s in pvp so no pve lords can come in w 3% more stats. Also get rid of the versa every piece ffs. I like it as WW but just about every other spec despises versa for pve. So simple honesty
Just add gear vendors back with different sets. Keep the ilvl scaling because I'll be honest, as a BG hero randoms haven't been more fun than now where gear is relatively equal. For arenas/rbgs, make sure ilvls are the same as heroic/mythic level raids.
To be honest, all they'd have to do is add in 50 or so echoes of domination for every loot box you earn. That way after 2 weeks you could buy a piece that you actually want, while still getting the RNG crap as well.01/10/2018 10:27 AMPosted by JugajrJust add gear vendors back with different sets. Keep the ilvl scaling because I'll be honest, as a BG hero randoms haven't been more fun than now where gear is relatively equal. For arenas/rbgs, make sure ilvls are the same as heroic/mythic level raids.
I do think the stat templates are a good thing in the end for balance... but not needing to grind out gear sets feels like a horrible thing for motivational purposes. Before, each season i'd be grinding out a new set of conquest gear... sometimes even the honor set before the conquest set... and now... there isn't really a reason to touch arena for the new season unless I want to push or want a mog... but keeping the same mogs for 3x seasons in a row makes it kinda pointless.
Honestly, just go back to how gear was in WoD S3 since that system was really good despite not having resilience (which isn't a bad thing imo).
2/4set for each spec. Same for every season.
270 conquest every arena win with the weekly cap being 1800, scaling with rating.
27000 conquest required for full gear (unless if you're a fury warr sadly), which means it took only 100 wins to fully gear.
PVP gear scaled up in PVP combat so they could fight against PVE'ers in WPVP.
Reason why I think resilience being gone is a good thing is because it incentivizes players who don't mind PVP to actually do it if they want to get into PVE since they can acquire some decent ilvl gear with the choice of their stats too without being gimped.
Alternatively if people really want resilience back, just make it a tertiary stat so it doesn't interfere with the amount of secondary stats.
Also, bring back gems in gear. The rng gem proc is silly and I think PVP gear should have a set number of sockets that activate in PVP. Would like set gem sockets for PVE too. You can still have the RNG proc in PVE to obtain an extra socket if so choose.
Enchants being available in PVP would be nice too.
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Forgot to mention, but in WoD, the stat stick trinkets were gated behind Ashran RNG and people despised it. Do NOT gate gear behind RNG systems like that, they never work out (as you can see with attempt 2 in Legion). Just have every single PVP gear on a vendor so players have a choice to what they want.
2/4set for each spec. Same for every season.
270 conquest every arena win with the weekly cap being 1800, scaling with rating.
27000 conquest required for full gear (unless if you're a fury warr sadly), which means it took only 100 wins to fully gear.
PVP gear scaled up in PVP combat so they could fight against PVE'ers in WPVP.
Reason why I think resilience being gone is a good thing is because it incentivizes players who don't mind PVP to actually do it if they want to get into PVE since they can acquire some decent ilvl gear with the choice of their stats too without being gimped.
Alternatively if people really want resilience back, just make it a tertiary stat so it doesn't interfere with the amount of secondary stats.
Also, bring back gems in gear. The rng gem proc is silly and I think PVP gear should have a set number of sockets that activate in PVP. Would like set gem sockets for PVE too. You can still have the RNG proc in PVE to obtain an extra socket if so choose.
Enchants being available in PVP would be nice too.
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Forgot to mention, but in WoD, the stat stick trinkets were gated behind Ashran RNG and people despised it. Do NOT gate gear behind RNG systems like that, they never work out (as you can see with attempt 2 in Legion). Just have every single PVP gear on a vendor so players have a choice to what they want.
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It's pretty crazy to think how much we used to grind each season for the new gear sets in WoD... compared to this expansion... where I don't even really acknowledge seasons switching at all, because it's virtually meaningless, and my gear gets insta obsoleted regardless.
That factor just makes the game feel like there is absolutely nothing to do in it for us.
That factor just makes the game feel like there is absolutely nothing to do in it for us.
I just realized, but even in PVE there's no alternative to gearing besides RNG drops.
Sure PVE has it easier where you can specifically target a boss that drops a specific piece of gear, but still.
Profession gearing is useless.
There's no vendor gear at all and if there is (Argus/Broken Shore), it's also RNG.
You have no choice regardless of skill level anywhere. You just hope you get your lucky drops and if you don't, good luck. There's no other method.
Sure PVE has it easier where you can specifically target a boss that drops a specific piece of gear, but still.
Profession gearing is useless.
There's no vendor gear at all and if there is (Argus/Broken Shore), it's also RNG.
You have no choice regardless of skill level anywhere. You just hope you get your lucky drops and if you don't, good luck. There's no other method.
Argus has a non-RNG vender for 910 gear.01/10/2018 10:53 AMPosted by FelrynI just realized, but even in PVE there's no alternative to gearing besides RNG drops.
Argus has a non-RNG one for 910 gear.
If you're talking about the Argunite vendor, that's still RNG.
You get to choose what gear slot you want, sure, but you don't get to choose the stats or piece of gear of the category that drops anyways. Like I said:
01/10/2018 10:53 AMPosted by FelrynThere's no vendor gear at all and if there is (Argus/Broken Shore), it's also RNG.
01/10/2018 10:54 AMPosted by FoxArgus has a non-RNG vender for 910 gear.01/10/2018 10:53 AMPosted by FelrynI just realized, but even in PVE there's no alternative to gearing besides RNG drops.
Is it the same as the pvp vendor? No rings/trinkets/neck? Or do they have all gear added. I don't mind the echo vendor as all my gear is strictly from queuing random BGs. No quests or rbgs/arenas
Thanks to the OP for a well thought out post. I also agree with all the posters who would like to return to the MoP/WoD model....obviously the current method is garbage. My intro to BGs for Legion was having Murder of Crows dysfunctional because my macro still had a /USE embedded...it didn't ignore the argument, it just killed the spell.....oh dear !
I miss being able to chase the gear and grind towards top level 'stuff' ... as well, I also miss having the ability to tune my secondary stats. I'm sorry, but I find the template method a complete turnoff relative to my control over how my main behaves. If you can tune your gear against a boss fight/elite/whatever in pve, which is a fun experiment (for me) then why not be able to try and balance your character against a class that normally eats you for breakfast?? The current model is a total disincentive.
The devs who brought us to this disastrous PvP condition no longer have a voice in overall direction, so here is hoping that the new crew doesn't follow the 'you think you want it but you really don't' model.
As a disabled player since the end of BC, I've found WoW to be much more than just a game, so am extremely glad to see the overall awareness of the issues apparently taking us into a better situation.
I miss being able to chase the gear and grind towards top level 'stuff' ... as well, I also miss having the ability to tune my secondary stats. I'm sorry, but I find the template method a complete turnoff relative to my control over how my main behaves. If you can tune your gear against a boss fight/elite/whatever in pve, which is a fun experiment (for me) then why not be able to try and balance your character against a class that normally eats you for breakfast?? The current model is a total disincentive.
The devs who brought us to this disastrous PvP condition no longer have a voice in overall direction, so here is hoping that the new crew doesn't follow the 'you think you want it but you really don't' model.
As a disabled player since the end of BC, I've found WoW to be much more than just a game, so am extremely glad to see the overall awareness of the issues apparently taking us into a better situation.
They have all gear accessible at the argunite vender.<span class="truncated">...</span> Argus has a non-RNG vender for 910 gear.
Is it the same as the pvp vendor? No rings/trinkets/neck? Or do they have all gear added. I don't mind the echo vendor as all my gear is strictly from queuing random BGs. No quests or rbgs/arenas
01/10/2018 10:56 AMPosted by FelrynYou get to choose what gear slot you want, sure, but you don't get to choose the stats or piece of gear of the category that drops anyways. Like I said:
There's multiple levels of RNG. At least you get to pick the slot for it, which has been the major issue with the RNG lately. This expac using so much multilayered RNG has made it cancerous though. It's definitely a very demotivating situation for sure.
01/10/2018 10:58 AMPosted by FoxThey have all gear accessible at the argunite vender.
Well this would definitely help the pvp side gearing.
01/10/2018 10:58 AMPosted by FoxThere's multiple levels of RNG. At least you get to pick the slot for it, which has been the major issue with the RNG lately. This expac using so much multilayered RNG has made it cancerous though. It's definitely a very demotivating situation for sure.
RNG is RNG, PVE just happens to have it better :/
Well, when I say multi layered RNG, I'm talking about warforging / titanforging, then the RNG for the slot position... For PvP the elite gear being RNG is just absolutely abysmal. You can't even RNG the elite sets outside of the boxes now... I just don't know why they think that holding the xmogs over our head once we've already dinged the 2k, is somehow going to motivate us to keep grinding? If anything it makes me want to just sit out until the end of the 3 seasons and just be given my entire mog.01/10/2018 11:00 AMPosted by Felryn01/10/2018 10:58 AMPosted by FoxThere's multiple levels of RNG. At least you get to pick the slot for it, which has been the major issue with the RNG lately. This expac using so much multilayered RNG has made it cancerous though. It's definitely a very demotivating situation for sure.
RNG is RNG, PVE just happens to have it better :/
01/10/2018 09:49 AMPosted by YthisensUpped the cap on this one since you guys hit it. :)
Thanks friend :)
This is the first blue I've legit wanted to add to my f list lol... if that were an option. =p01/10/2018 11:19 AMPosted by Bertimus01/10/2018 09:49 AMPosted by YthisensUpped the cap on this one since you guys hit it. :)
Thanks friend :)
If you guys really wanted to get the attentioin of the devs and put the power back in the players hands there's a really easy way to do it.
The only real control we have over this game is the money we spend on it.
Cancel your sub and show them you're not happy. My sub only has 5 days.
I'm also refusing to buy the xpac after the epic fail of attention to pvp in Legion and I've played since Vanilla.
I could pay for my sub by buying an in game token but Im refusing to do that.
The only real control we have over this game is the money we spend on it.
Cancel your sub and show them you're not happy. My sub only has 5 days.
I'm also refusing to buy the xpac after the epic fail of attention to pvp in Legion and I've played since Vanilla.
I could pay for my sub by buying an in game token but Im refusing to do that.