I'm starting to believe that this might be all wishful thinking. Dev communication regarding PvP was non-existent this expansion. We have no lead PvP designer and I don't even remember the last time a blue commented on the PvP forums. Announcements regarding PvP for BfA were very lackluster, as the game doesn't seem to be changing its direction. No mention of system changes or features that would help fix problems that were present throughout legion.
This is sad, and the worst part is that I don't know if anyone from Blizzard is actually listening.
Logically it's because Mythic Antorus won't scale in ilvl while the PvP gear will for the next season to match (or even pass) it.
If the current season offered the current Mythic ilvl (or M+) then it would not scale because their ultimate goal is to have PvE and PvP gear comparable in the long term. Unless the seasons were concatenated, PvP is the one to take the hit because PvE does not have seasons within the same raid tier.
However I do agree that this does impact the incentive to play the current season. The issue is exacerbated even further when you consider the RNG factor.
What they could just do is provide additional incentives (other than gear) for the next season, keeping the current gear levels at the same scale as PvE. Perhaps some aesthetic changes to gear or spells.
If the current season offered the current Mythic ilvl (or M+) then it would not scale because their ultimate goal is to have PvE and PvP gear comparable in the long term. Unless the seasons were concatenated, PvP is the one to take the hit because PvE does not have seasons within the same raid tier.
However I do agree that this does impact the incentive to play the current season. The issue is exacerbated even further when you consider the RNG factor.
What they could just do is provide additional incentives (other than gear) for the next season, keeping the current gear levels at the same scale as PvE. Perhaps some aesthetic changes to gear or spells.
surely an esteemed company like blizzard-activision entertainment would have dispatched a community manager by now to address the concerns of an 11 page thread of unanimous agreement regarding current game issues
wait jk we’re pvpers lol
wait jk we’re pvpers lol
It sounds like blizzard needs to time up their seasons better with the pve content that so pvpers dont get better gear pvers, and so we avoid situations like this.
I think it is really underappreciated how hard getting 2400 late in the season is, let alone at the start of the season when rating is deflated. If you are 2400 at this point in the season then lets be straight you probably deserve mythic level gear.
Id also be a fan of going back to longer seasons so every 3 month season isnt a month of rating re-inflating.
Isnt 2k at this point in the season already top 3%?
Why were my echos of domination taken from last season? Its the same gear set, that does not seem to make much sense. Right as I was getting close to getting a new leet piece bam season over, here is your gold for those..... lol. Like how is that a good idea at all?
I think it is really underappreciated how hard getting 2400 late in the season is, let alone at the start of the season when rating is deflated. If you are 2400 at this point in the season then lets be straight you probably deserve mythic level gear.
Id also be a fan of going back to longer seasons so every 3 month season isnt a month of rating re-inflating.
Isnt 2k at this point in the season already top 3%?
Why were my echos of domination taken from last season? Its the same gear set, that does not seem to make much sense. Right as I was getting close to getting a new leet piece bam season over, here is your gold for those..... lol. Like how is that a good idea at all?
12/15/2017 01:36 PMPosted by Iwanadiehelpsurely an esteemed company like blizzard-activision entertainment would have dispatched a community manager by now to address the concerns of an 11 page thread of unanimous agreement regarding current game issues
wait jk we’re pvpers lol
All posts on the arena forums encouraging gear progression in PvP were met with furious downvotes prior to Legion.
Looks like a situation where the arena forums "thought they did but they didn't."
12/15/2017 02:51 PMPosted by Argorwal12/15/2017 01:36 PMPosted by Iwanadiehelpsurely an esteemed company like blizzard-activision entertainment would have dispatched a community manager by now to address the concerns of an 11 page thread of unanimous agreement regarding current game issues
wait jk we’re pvpers lol
All posts on the arena forums encouraging gear progression in PvP were met with furious downvotes prior to Legion.
Looks like a situation where the arena forums "thought they did but they didn't."
It's not unanimous.
Many people even in this thread refuse to realize a lack of gear progression in PvP is bad for participation and overall enjoyment of PvP within this very RPG structured game.
Glad this post got the immediate attention of a dev. Makes me feel like we, as pvpers, are a valued part of the community when they reply so promptly to our concerns... Oh wait...
The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different gear pieces.
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the previous patch and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before current season. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player gear drop rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay.
We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on the arena forums and across numerous social media outlets.
Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can.
As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the previous patch and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before current season. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player gear drop rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay.
We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on the arena forums and across numerous social media outlets.
Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can.
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Excellent posts..
I actually lately am scared to pvp..which was my love and way to gear till legions hit . I couldn't wait each week to cap arenas and rbgs , my guild was all pvpers and we are on a pve server , we even had 3 rbg teams a week in Mop and Wod, we became at those times the most active guild on server and again its PVE .
I was never a great pvper as far as ratings because i would play with anyone needing just caps , I just wanted my gears . So we was very active at pvp but casual play .
Legions hits and we had a meeting at the start going over all the changes , and one being pvp gear is no longer .. and the way to get pvp gear is a rng system and its the same gears as pve with the exception of Verst which i heard is a pvp stat now ? and unless you have the ratings for the gears they added at the dally vendors .
Also with the idea trinkets is disabled and the only gear Ilvl increase is a mere 1% for every five Ilvls you are above 850.. and no vendor choices of how you wanted to gear and build , compared to past Expansions , you capped you went to the vendor and picked which helmet you wanted etc , It felt rewarding and gave pvp in a nut shell a needed feeling .
One thing that made this game special was the old pvp system . Most MMOs dont have that .. most is rng like here now , mob grinding at end game to progress .. same as here now{ but with daily's } , template systems like wow is now . Then Legions hits and this game became like the rest of genre pvp wise .
Bottom line my guild has 1-2 players on at any given time now , most quit the game or moved to raiding guilds ,we use to have 500 in roster its now 320 toons.
I also unsubbed a few times which i never did since 2006 .
So the main topic of this forum has been a bummer for me for a long time now ..
And all i do is get my !@# kicked now .. I just started gearing up from argus etc and mostly solo world things . I lost interest in Raids and now pvp , when someone could just farm daily's and get a legendary or a 940 or w/e .
Gave me the feeling now that i really don't need a guild or groups to get a lucky rng, because i mainly played to gear up . and now I don't feel the need to gear up any longer to pvp .
I miss it
I actually lately am scared to pvp..which was my love and way to gear till legions hit . I couldn't wait each week to cap arenas and rbgs , my guild was all pvpers and we are on a pve server , we even had 3 rbg teams a week in Mop and Wod, we became at those times the most active guild on server and again its PVE .
I was never a great pvper as far as ratings because i would play with anyone needing just caps , I just wanted my gears . So we was very active at pvp but casual play .
Legions hits and we had a meeting at the start going over all the changes , and one being pvp gear is no longer .. and the way to get pvp gear is a rng system and its the same gears as pve with the exception of Verst which i heard is a pvp stat now ? and unless you have the ratings for the gears they added at the dally vendors .
Also with the idea trinkets is disabled and the only gear Ilvl increase is a mere 1% for every five Ilvls you are above 850.. and no vendor choices of how you wanted to gear and build , compared to past Expansions , you capped you went to the vendor and picked which helmet you wanted etc , It felt rewarding and gave pvp in a nut shell a needed feeling .
One thing that made this game special was the old pvp system . Most MMOs dont have that .. most is rng like here now , mob grinding at end game to progress .. same as here now{ but with daily's } , template systems like wow is now . Then Legions hits and this game became like the rest of genre pvp wise .
Bottom line my guild has 1-2 players on at any given time now , most quit the game or moved to raiding guilds ,we use to have 500 in roster its now 320 toons.
I also unsubbed a few times which i never did since 2006 .
So the main topic of this forum has been a bummer for me for a long time now ..
And all i do is get my !@# kicked now .. I just started gearing up from argus etc and mostly solo world things . I lost interest in Raids and now pvp , when someone could just farm daily's and get a legendary or a 940 or w/e .
Gave me the feeling now that i really don't need a guild or groups to get a lucky rng, because i mainly played to gear up . and now I don't feel the need to gear up any longer to pvp .
I miss it
I don't PvP (much) anymore. So I thought I'd write this in support:
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12/16/2017 12:57 PMPosted by PharsalusPfft. Like Blizzard cares, or knows what to do about PvP.
Blizz_Employee_#1: "Sir, the metrics are down for PvP participation"
Blizz_Muckety_Muck: "Can you hurry this up peon, I have a raid in 45 minutes"
BE1: "Well sir, it's just that there's a marked decline in overall PvP participation, even after we gated certain {ITEMS} behind PvP in Legion"
BMM: "59 minutes, clock's a ticking. Wait, we still have PvP in this game?'
BE1: /sighs "Yes sir."
BMM: "Ok, ok, sheesh. So what's the problem?"
BE1: "Sir, there's not "the" problem, there are many problems"
BMM: "Ok, so what do the whiners on the board say is a fix. I'm out of ideas"
BE1: "Sir, you haven't offered any ideas"
BMM: "Yeah, like I said, I'm out. Also hurry. 58 minutes to raid"
BE1: "Well sir, one of many problems is the gear disparity."
BMM: /thinks "I got it! We'll make gear irrelevant. It's all about 'skill'."
BE1: "Sir, gear is a motivation to play"
BMM: "Nonsense. By removing incentives TO play, we'll insure that more people WANT to play"
BE1: /stunned like they've been sapped "Sir, if I may..."
BMM: "If you MUST" /annoyed
BE1: "Would you still raid if raiding offered no gear drops, only achievements?"
BMM: "BITE YOUR TONGUE! How dare you compare the holy apex of raiding to lesser activities! Oh and 56 minutes"
BE1: "Sir, perhaps there's another solution? Perhaps many?"
BMM: "Doubt it. We're never wrong"
BE1: /sighs again "Yes sir"
BE1: Leaves BMM's office, flogging himself on the back like Paul Bettany in that movie with Gandalf and Forest Gump.
12/10/2017 11:16 AMPosted by HansolWotLK gearing system would be cool to have again. Unlocking the best piece one by one when you reach a certain rating.
So you can make more money doing carries?
Sucks bringing back my old friends a couple weeks ago who are just trying to gear up and have fun together, only to find out that you cant accomplish that through PvP. And to make it more frustrating, he has to rely on me to fly him everywhere in order to finish questlines like suramar/broken shore just to get flying within a reasonable amount of time.
“Why cant we just pay for flying like we used to?”
Great question...
“Why cant we just pay for flying like we used to?”
Great question...
oh look still no blue post i see LOL. this game is a joke how much money they make a month in subs and this is how they run their game.
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If drops were on par with pve, I feel like you'd see a lot more people who do m+ and raids start participating.
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still no blue? lmao
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Agreed!
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Can we get a blue please?
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Yeah would love a blue response - if you look at MMO Champ and filter for pvp, it gets really sad. No stance or issues addressed all expansion.
Blizzard should be ashamed of this aspect of the game.
Blizzard should be ashamed of this aspect of the game.
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lol 300+ likes and no blue post. LeL
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