Of course there are decent alternatives, but they are not that good for melee.
PvP is a mini game eh, so then PvP servers are just mini-servers…who knew!.
why don’t you ask raiders why they just dont raid for fun. Why worry about gear or flasking or wiping.
Gear acquisition is the very premise of this game, why should it differ for PvP participants.
That being said, my idea of PvP for fun, is what I use to do, when I wasn’t doing BG’s, and that was roaming hotspots for world PvP, protecting my faction in questing areas. I rarely sat in a city doing nothing, which bewilders me about players on a PvP server, who sit in a city all day , while the defense channel is blaring world PvP opportunities.
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The difference is that the PvP gear isn’t that insanely good to cause such an issue
but for people who prefer not to raid, it is their only means, so it would be expected that they devote an honest and serious effort to acquiring it.
Depends on the class, some items are never replaced or are replaced in Naxx
A minigame that takes significantly more time and effort than the main game 
P.S I pvp for fun all the time.
I’ve always been a big fan of hades from hercules
Also the cardinal or whatever his title was in the hunchback, that guy has some issues i can relate with
1- Make a pvp system where gear gives a collosal advantage.
2- Make it so to get that gear you have to rank.
3- Make ranking such a miserable task that takes months of playing all day, every day at peak efficiency
That’s why people don’t pvp for fun- it’s pretty universal that getting stomped (ie- not having gear) is not fun, and basically everyone that’s done the pvp grind hates it.
The biggest problem though is that you can’t set the pace.
There’s nothing fun about being forced to do something nonstop- but if you get off the ranking ride for a week, or in some cases even a day you can be set back a month of work.
Except this is the intent- why do you think they put in decay? It’s so you can’t stop, that’s the literal point of the system Blizzard made. You can blame rankers for some reason for playing the game as intended- but you can’t say that this isn’t the intent.
The top players get the ranking, and if you stop ranking you’re set back weeks- that’s the system Blizz made, so of course it’s going to result in players trying to be the top, and refusing to take time off of it.
because pvp in classic is hot garbage
It has more to do with the dev end and less to do with us. They created a system with rewards rather than making an enjoyable activity. A fun activity doesn’t need rewards.
Playing for fun? LOL! Everyone knows this game is all about spreadsheets and theoretical maximums.
On a less sarcastic note, yeah I know a lot of people find fun in treating the game like one giant math problem, but it would not surprise me if the overt emphasis on this has driven away many of those who just wanted to play the game as a game.
Personally, I find enjoyment in a bit of both; I’m not gonna purposely do bad things for the sake of doing bad things, but neither am I going to play in a manner dictated how some spreadsheet or calculator says is best if I don’t enjoy it for gameplay or aesthetic reasons.
I like to know what’s mathematically best, but that doesn’t mean I’m always gonna do it.
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I pvp for fun and rank. You can do both.
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Hoping when aq comes out and pvp gear isnt so good premades will stop.
Pvp is a tacked on mini game called bgs. Raiding is wows core. Pvp is just average at best. Its a mini game to get gear for raiding. Wpvp is much more fun then the bg hamster wheel.
I agree with you. Discord has ruined the fun of the ‘random BG.’ Honestly I thought it was an alliance issue, even though historically I’ve never believed that one faction was better than another. I have NEVER won an AV. Been playing since launch. I’m almost rank 8. I win maybe 1/20 WSG, and same with AB. I play the game for the PvP primarily. I am in agony at this new culture.
My faction goes no further in AV than the first gy / chokepoint, and stays there until defeat. They call it “rep farming,” but I call it lame. I see my teammates in WSG stay in ghost after their first death, and tell people, “just let them win. it’s over.”
People that come in here and say PvP is a minigame… um… this is World of WARCRAFT. It’s part of the fricking game. You need to learn how to separate your priorities from the reality that there are people who play this game for the PvP, which to them is a big part of the game no less important than your raids where you say words like ‘parsing,’ and worry about how many seconds faster or slower you’ve killed a stupid boss. Get over yourself.
smh… What happened?
Alliance do not play AV to win, they play it for rep. At least in NA. I’ve seen that they still play to win in OCE.
Why though? It doesn’t make sense. TRYING to win is fun, and it gives more rep. Why tf does everyone seem to believe otherwise, and ruin every single game? It’s like a Southshore simulator.
NA mindset man, path of least resistance.
They keep the Ivus summoners for druids dialogue open so that they never depart to summon Ivus - it allows for massive amounts of turn ins.
Turtle SHGY, collect rep turn ins, turn them in when Frost Lord is summoned and horde are busy defending shamans.
New players don’t know any better and just think it’s how it’s done - probably don’t even know what’s going on with regards to rep.
You can’t PVP for fun because the BGs are full of premades, day and night, and they’ll never do anything about it because of #nochanges. We’ll just have to suck it up and wait for BC, then then abandon this game and never look back.
AV lost most of its fun when the good alliance abandoned it and horde started having to wait 2 hours for a match.
Why do you play wow for pvp. Its not good. I was delusional in vanilla about pvp. Then i found good mmo games with pvp. Eso and warhammer are much better pvp games.
Really makes you wonder why Horde wanted to quadruple their queues in order to get a boring, no effort turtle stomp every match.
Well, you got the no fun easy win you wanted so badly, and all it took was Horde shredding themselves of any dignity, prostrating themselves on the floor and throwing an epic tantrum until Blizz gave you the 100% win rate you so badly wanted.