sure. good luck casting any non instant cc against a starfall moonkin with the massive spell pushback .
the trick is you dont really have a choice with some of those and i think those two are tied for second place in the pvp ranks honestly and op.
trinket and instant cc to stop their rotation when the lock breaks. but it also helps not to be defending solo and having your own rogue friend to jump on the other rogue.
while leaving moonkin form is a death sentence , they have other tools that ive mentioned here that only have a 3 min cooldown and can all be stacked to make them unkillable (imp barkskin/ savage instincts/ imp frenzied regen).
what im “crying” about is when they pop all these and im not on the shaman to purge at least the barkskin while critting wf procs , their health doesnt even move and infact seems to go up .
im also “crying” about the massive spell pushback on starfall that makes it impossible to cast anything that isnt instant in a 20+ yard radius . it wouldnt be so opressive if it was like the priests homies or even the druid treants that is localized on 1 target at a time.
i too am talking about overall balance and moonkin are out of balance atm.
you are attempting to have a serious conversation with a guy who’s only counter is ever “you’re a bad pvp’r” and thinks flame shock will break stun
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what can i say? im bored while i wait for people to get to the instance 
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You’re playing the wrong game.
Get on steam and Buy Metaphor
We cc starfall all the time in premades bud. Any stun… If you aren’t communicating in premades then class balance isn’t really an issue. If you go into any rando bg and look at whats going on I mean… NOTHING I mean literally nothing should be taken from any of these trash can rando games especially opinions of people that don’t even know whats going on while they’re in them.
ive been in premades and in pugs as well.
the problems remain problems in either.
i never said they should nerf the damage.
i said they should nerf the ability to pop all 3 defensives at the same time and also nerf the spell pushback to not happen or be drastically reduced (but i dont trust them to reduce it so removing it would be preferable) .
in fact, all “tank” specs and “tank like” specs should be nerfed .
but whatever.
ask him to explain how flame shock breaks stun
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If you cash app him he will
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Literally nothing??
Not even 7k plus armor ?
No Barkskin?
No way to say, stun in bear than kite,
Nope just absolutely nothing they can do.
Wait you probably never thought of using bash because you probably thought your dots broke the stun.
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im reminded of the meme:
gen z lawyer " objection your honor , defendant is capping".
gen z judge “overruled , let him cook”.
To see anyone in here argue about moonkin not being overtuned just has to be a bait. You can nerf boomkin damage by 50% and it would still be the best caster by miles.
How about we stop with the reparations from vanilla? I can tell you straight up druid is over tuned
Just because we had it worse in classic does not mean we should ruin the fun of the current game mode because of what happened in the past. Move forward and keep the game fun for everyone
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What 3 defensive abilities are you talking about?
Frenzy regen and Barksin…
Frenzy regen is now trash. Ret palas and rogue can burst through it.
What in the world are you guys smoking? You come to the forums crying and you’re not even playing the current game? You’re crying about fresh 60 crap
savage instincts too , which also buffs the amount healed by frenzied regen along with imp barkskin makes them very very tanky.
nobody uses that rune in a bg or brm event and there is very little world pvp. As suspect you’re fighting absolute trash cans. You need dreamstate unless you wanna drink every 5 seconds.
Not to mention the 20% dmg for 12 seconds… You’re talking about pve runes in a pvp discussion this is wild
plenty of people use “tank” runes and crap for pvp .
you would be mistaken if you believed anything different.
Ele sham build was the only build using pve runes.
Druid takes dreamstate. Its way to good, you’re not losing all that mana regen which translates to dmg on top of the huge dmg buff you get from it. .
Go out and world pvp some good rets and hunters then come back here.
ive been pretty clear, im talking about in bgs.
i dont care about wpvp cause its a broken mess full of its own big balance issues .
in bgs currently it goes:
moonkin>>>pally=hunter>>> everyone else.
ive experienced this on 3 different toons sl/nf warlock/ele sham/ shadow priest (though i havent played the priest in a while now) .
ive watched and participated in bgs for quite a while now and have a good understanding of what each class is capable of and know the op classes .
but whatever man.
i dont need to argue with you anymore to prove the point.