Silly is underselling it.
Like most times Blizzard tries to do anything remotely serious…
It will be a Dumpster fire in the center of a train wreck.
I kinda like the Dragonflight story. It’s fun and interesting. I hope we find out we didn’t actually kill deathwing and the old gods were just recovering and the sword in Azeroth actually awakened something really bad. And then we all die
Alliance Army has always consisted of Farmers, though. There’s never been a situation where the Alliance has been the one with the crack standing military ready to drive back the aggressive hosts. We gotta lose something significant first. Stormwind, Lordaeron, Hillsbrad and Southshore, Theramore, Nethergarde, Teldrassil…
It’s like an unspoken universal constant for the Alliance.
Night Elves have been decimated, but I think it’s safe to assume they’ll supplement their numbers with angry tree spirits in a pinch.
I’ll take that bet, actually. The Alliance have lost…two? Airships since their introduction in Wrath. The Horde loses one an expansion by comparison.
Honest question - do the Warsong even exist anymore beyond the Mag’har expats? I sort of figured the Warsong went the way of the Dragonmaw and got their fool selves extinguished for backing Garrosh.
They’re also on an island we can just…isolate and contain. There was a whole raid about the Alliance hitting their capital too, so I’m not sure Tulanji has the fleet back up to snuff, especially not with Azshara’s nonsense.
It’s my nicest way of dealing with the Horde. My not so nice way involves a forcible relocation of the Orcish population from Azeroth back to their home planet of Draenor/Outland, don’t call us we’ll call you.
Real talk here…I’d be bored by a Tyranny of the Light expansion. I’d also be bored with Turalyon going evil simply because that’s not the dude’s nature. He’s the one in old lore who insisted the Alliance be told Lothar was killed in honorable combat with Doomhammer and not assassinated, because he knew it would lead to Orc genocide.
Having said that, I’m desperate for a storyline where the Alliance are the clear, unambiguous aggressors for a change. And the small, petty part of me will fully admit it’s mostly because I want to see a major Horde settlement get nuked for a change instead of an Alliance one.
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If I am in the forum clique they never sent me my evil cabal hood and robe, but really I’m not making fun of you, it is just nostalgic to continue seeing you post about it using that particular phrase (did you coin that)
I would be fine with an Alliance internal conflict plotline because I am also in the edgy opinion BfA was kind of good camp. Like OK it was like 75% bad but it at least felt impactful and there were cool cities and playable race lore rather than, “here is a bottle episode on new island with a bunch of non-playable race characters who you will not be able to identify your character with in a meaningful way”.
Night elves vs alliance and horde taking advantage of that. It’s time. World of Warcraft BFA2: Civil War
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Shadowlands was so henious we actually are waxing nostalgic for BfA
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The reason you’re not part of it is because you call it the forum clique. We’re the Forum Cabal™ and you better get it right (plz)
Horde wins that conflict though, barring a civil war
Almost immediately after that raid, the rest of the Alliance fleet fell to Nazjatar chasing Nathanos
idk lol. Last time i seriously looked into the Orc clans, they all seem to hold their own areas. Warsong in Ashenvale, Shattered hand in the Drag…uhh… I’m pretty sure they all still exist
The consensus among most orcs is that there are no longer “clans”. Every orc can come from a clan, but they don’t mean anything any more other than ancestral lineage at this point
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ill believe you when you post on your orc toon
Okay here you go
No conflict. We just put our mages to use and kick Ogrimmar as a whole package through a portal.
If Ebon Blade Acolytes can just open a portal to the deadlands, it cant be that hard. We’ll swap it with Shattrath. Get some playable Broken and the other Horde races can move past the spiked architecture.
Look at it this way, I like some stuff about BfA because it was all about us, the factions and peoples who are playable. So we got neat race themed mogs, lots of revisiting old player-race characters, stuff like that.
Many of the actual plot beats were executed poorly but I could endure a lot of bad plot turns if I at least felt like it was existing in a world that mattered, if that makes sense. Like, stuff like re-establishing Stromgarde as a human, being made into a refugee as a Night Elf, losing Lordaeron as an undead… these were all plot beats our characters could interact with on a really deep personal level, even if they were hamfisted most of the time. I’m sure some people might be thinking “ok I didn’t find it that fun when my character had their nation destroyed” but as far as revealed preference goes we all generally preferred having a spotty but player-focused plot over what came after–the totally detached setting of SL
Shadowlands had almost nothing we could identify with in our characters, unless you really enjoy RPing your character being nonplussed at the fact that the Jailer was behind everything bad that ever happened ever. And Dragonflight, which is a pleasant enough setting, is also quite detached, primarily being about non-playable Dragon and animal people factions with our character just being wandering outsiders with no big time horse in the race (with even Dracthyr being presented sort of as outsiders who are not “native” to anything that is happening)
Personally I was really engaged with BfA despite its flaws, but Shadowlands 100% lost me. Dragonflight is more fun to play because you get to tony hawk pro dragonrider around everywhere but it still doesn’t engage me like BfA did because everything seems sort of irrelevant to the characters I can play as
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Idk, imagining the Alliance win so easily is just as cringe as imagining the Horde wins easily.
Everyone knows unless you’re humans or orcs in WoW Lore, you only get nice things so that the humans and orcs can tarnish it to let Jaina, Thrall, Garrosh or Varian look cooler.
It’s literally how it constantly goes in WoW lore with next to no exceptions with Night Elves lore wise being the most common target of it to let Orcs act like they do cool things instead of just being generic fantasy cannon fodder.
Agreed. Talanji was such a cool set up for her to be thrown into the lore hole with the rest of the lesser races. Even most of the dragons are human visage forms 
the impression I got from the orc heritage quest is* that they’re trying to return to their roots and clan identity is part of that, since you need to pick one to represent to finish
even the Dragonmaw are rebuilding, but hopefully less awful on try number 3. they are orcs though so probably evil again in a few expansions
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Ehh I think it’s more clan identity is important than there are actual CLANS they exist. The nuance is subtle but there is a difference. I’m not sure there’s ever going to be like huge swaths of orcs belonging to one clan roaming around ever again, but I’d like to be wrong.
Also I haven’t done the heritage armor quest so maybe it is changing!!
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aw youre the same person?? ;=;
FIRST OF ALL…youd need to be in the city to Teleport it, and it would have needed to be set up for mass teleporting. The Kirin Tor is able to do it with the Entire Council, some random mages wont be able to do it. Jaina alone wouldnt be able to do it. Youd need someone as powerful as Archimonde to do it
They had pieces of the Helm of Domination to do it. Otherwise our Shadowlands spells are personal use, and only allow temporary passage
i would recommend the heritage armor quest! it’s still very orcy but manages to hit the notes of orcy that i actually enjoy personally.
there seem to be at least a few clans that are still part of the horde but rebuilding as a clan within it. i could be wrong, though, that was just the impression I got from it.
Yes, I’m the very same.