This needs to be in the Warrior General tree and not just Arms.
Condemn made Fury/Prot rotation feel very good to me compared to using it as Arms.
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I agree that it should be in the class tree. I also would love to see it back to doing shadow damage if possible. I really liked that aspect of it, but I can live without it. I just want to have it available to Fury and Prot as well as Arms.
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As long as arms can have ignore pain or recklessness, I’m 100% for this
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Soooooo, Condemn is currently usable by both specs…its putting something back in the spec blizz took away.
condemn sucks. there i said it.
@ Battlecruisr
BLASPHEMY!
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Switch die by the sword and skull banner.
Switch Avatar and condemn.
There you get your raid cd and condemn. Condemn will suck in fury anyways unless you change how improved execute in fury works. Punishment is not condemn. Is physical damage without any additions to executes ability. Chances are if you spec out of improved execute in fury to retain regular execute the rage spender, it will be a dps loss to press over a yoked up raging blow and obviously rampage giving you enrage. Moreover execute in fury has a CD. It’s a dps loss to press if it’s not being used when you have no ragin blow stacks as an extra generator for rampage dump. But hey do you. From wanting skullbanner cause “raid cd” to trying to play suboptimal.
You would need to buff punishment into condemn or add additional execute changing talents to fury to make it decent. An execute on a CD that you can use above 80% mobs/bosses hp is not the condemn you know.
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I’ve tried venthyr one time and it sucked (probably cuz its awful in pvp). I’m not attached to condemn, and really I’m not even that attached to execute as fury anymore. Let arms keep all the execute buffs, maybe execute will finally kill stuff again.
hey but at least youll be able to deathwish thunderous roar now
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youre a much better hunter than scarecrow is
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Punishment is not Condemn. Punishment simply gives Execute one of the properties that Condemn has. The other properties such as the shield and shadow damage do not exist.
did we get bloodlust yet ?
Personally, I am only interested in it because I can open a fight with Execute. That big hit as an opener feels good, especially if you can cleave it. The shadow damage and damage reduction are cool, but it’s not what makes Condemn desirable for me.
Judging by how many people associate Punishment with Condemn, they probably feel the same way.
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Honestly I tried it as arms and I didn’t like how you had to lose fervor for massacre which means you have to use slam. I’m a dps warrior pleb though and just like smashing buttons lol. With the new talent trees it might feel better.
People associating punishment with condemn are simply believing they will be getting condemn. Condemn has no cd, does shadow dmg, and grants a shield. Punishment gives fury none of those things. Execute will still have a cd and fury’s improved execute with generate rage not spend. It’s a dps loss to have PUNISHMENT as fury. Thus no one including you would take it after realizing this.
Rampage and a fully enraged up reckless abandoned raging blow both hit harder than execute and provide more benefit for fury.
Execute (or improved execute in DF) is the biggest rotational rage generator for fury, so no. its not a dps loss to have it available more often lol. Also hits harder than both of those abilities
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First it doesn’t hit harder than rampage or raging blow full buffs going enrage,abandoned etc. there is also no telling if the rage generator version hits as hard as spending 20 rage on execute, if it doesnt than you would opt to not take it for the harder hitting version for punishment, which would still not hit as hard as rampage or fully buffed raging blow, and not enrage you as rampage does. thus making it a dps loss to press. As a generator you are correct it’s not a dps loss, I got lost in another comment I made somewhere else where I explained the dps loss portion differently.
Punishment is not condemn. What all these people are asking for is the rotation they felt they had with condemn. Punishment will not add that. And at the start of a fight where the boss is above 80% or the player across from you is above 80% full cds rampage/raging hit harder and don’t need the rage you get from pressing execute.
Yes it does.
It doesn’t.
I’ll excuse your ignorance because you are uninitiated. It does.