Punishing casual/solo players, why?

Jhannae is one of those players who used to be hardcore, but now considers herself a “casual”, because she could play harder. For a lot of better players “I could play harder and I’m not, so therefore I’m a casual” is their definition. These players maintain the idea of stratification by skill in their minds, so they divide the player base into the “hardcores” who play the game like 3 jobs, “casuals” who play hard content, just not as much of it as they used to or they could, and the overwhelming majority who are “baddies” and deserve to be constantly insulted and told they’re playing the game wrong.

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BTW, dungeons is not that hard. It’s divided into difficulties… normal, heroic, M+0, M+2, M+5, M+10, M+15, LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic Raid. There’s difficulties for everyone. Play it. I know there are bullies in there. Bullies are present all over the internet. Dont let them hinder you on playing this addictive game. You make mistakes and they bully you. Dont pay attention to them. Just try to understand their perspective even though they are wrong. They bullied you becoz of your mistakes. Keep playing, learn from mistakes and move on. When you improve your game, those bullies go away.

Even me doing M+14 or M+15, I make mistakes and some elites bully me for it. But I took note of my mistakes, I have to be perfect if I want to be KSM. I even installed ElitismHelper for me to see the amount of failure damage I’ve been taken. Look at me now, I have improved a lot as I can now do the whole M+15 most of the time with zero death on me with less than 100k failure damage (used to be 400k+).

Group up… dont be afraid of it. Dungeons has difficulties for new players/ returning players. Try it. Improve from there. Embrace it if you want WoW. It may be hard the first time. But keep playing it, it would become easier the more you do it. I didnt become M+15 player in a day or a week. It’s a work in progress for months. YOu dont have to be aggressive. Just aim low like complete M+0 on all 8 dungeons.

Hmmm… I don’t feel punished. I have been enjoying Korthia, and have obtained some good gear upgrades, with room to upgrade them further. I have been having fun exploring and searching for treasures and rares. I have even returned to the Maw and have been doing some of those dailies again.

Torghast has been good too, and I like the changes. Five floors now instead of six. When I died on the last boss, I returned for my second attempt and picked up where I left off with him around 15 percent health. How great is that?

So, I would say that 9.1 so far is a casual’s and solo player’s dream. Speaking only for myself of course.

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You mean, the “casuals and solo players” who are just like you.

The fact that this thread exists is proof that not everyone agrees that korthia is their dream zone.

We will see how many new players join the game because they heard about what a dream zone korthia is, won’t we?

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Solo players should never be capable of being BiS anyway.

So you’re agreeing with the title, that it’s “punishing to casual/solo players”, and should be designed to be much harder for those who don’t have bis gear.

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Yes, you are right. Everyone is different. Just speaking for myself.

I agree with the re-crafting legendaries part and KSM changes, but I don’t really understand the rest.

I’ve been running most of my alts solo for a good while and it’s doable. Valor drops at the same rate for every difficulty. Running just one dungeon a week guarantees an item of higher level value than what you ran. Torghast is basically the same type of thing as visions. It gets easier with more runs/upgrades.

You don’t have to redo your legendaries. My druid has been running without them for ages through heroic Nathria and pugs with no problems and I still do just as well as anyone else.

Overall I do think they’re going about their systems poorly, but we’re all on about the same level playing field. Gear will come with time. Organized groups are pretty much required for timing 15s though.

What are you talking about?
This entire patch is a massive Boon to solo and casual. a solo player now, with enough time and effort, which honestly is not that much, you can get full geared in items BETTER then normal raid and only 3 ilvl less then heroic raid gear through the item upgrades in korthia.

If anything this has been one of the BEST content patches for solo players.

Just pointing out that saying that it “is a casual’s and solo player’s dream” is speaking in absolutes.

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You are correct. Point taken :slight_smile:

So they only started the thread to annoy you.

Torghast always had this at higher layers. Always.

Of course content should be harder for someone with a lower ilvl and not in BiS, welcome to how almost every single game with gear has ever worked? lol

My biggest gripe regarding “casual” gameplay is how we now have to run 16 keys instead of 8 for the new KSM :-1:

Not a fan of literally getting the same pay (recolor of a mount I already have) for double the amount of work (16 dungeons).

Imagine if tomorrow your boss suddenly announced that you would be doing 2x the work, but your pay would stay the same :woozy_face:

Probably won’t bother with it. If I happen to get it by coincidence by the time the patch is over? Great. If not, no big deal.

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I have alot of casual friends and they do 1 or 2 dungeon a week and play something else. That’s as casual as they come. You’re hiding being BAD under the pretense that you’re “casual”

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Casual is a measure of time not attitude.

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They won’t be satisfied until they have mythic level gear for free in the mail just for logging in.

I actually switched from running torghasts in groups to solo specifically for the reason that it was harder to keep people from dying in a torghast group run.

What? Torghast 9 felt the exact same as 8. I soloed it on a 197bdk getting 4 stars solo.

Recrafting legendaries effects everyone, but it affects casuals to the least degree lol

M+ change also effects everyone not just casuals. Yes it’s a stupid change as everyone hates tyrannical for the most part.

Why is everything an attack on casuals? Casual is often just used to say mis informed player