#PullTheRipcord

Can’t wait to pay money for an expansion people have already decided we should just survive through.

#PullTheRipcord

Reading that thread is such a good time, almost all the specs have 1 or 2 dead covenant abilities that will never be useful.

So meaningful!

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All we can really hope for is a t-shirt after the fact. My fingers are crossed.

      • From the Venthyr side of things - Swarming mist is also very appealing and I think in the current state of things re M+ gets beaten out by Deaths Due. This is of course until deaths due gets nerfed and then Venthyr probably takes first place. Door of Shadows is again a good answer to our mobility issues which is again why our “choices” come down to these 2 covenants.

Nobody has faith in Blizzard lol

Yeah I don’t even know how you balance it either. Like a dead covenant for one spec is the best for another spec for the same class. What do you even do?

Well, I have a solution to offer. I think there are some people who won’t like it though.

They would have to make every ability effectively do the same kind of thing. You have classes where the abilities are simply too different to compare, an actual apples to oranges problem.

For example death knight gets Kyrian=pure single target scaling will only increase single target damage/mitigation
Venthyr=aoe+runic power generation mostly taken for rp gen and therefore will never be the pick for unholy unless it also just outdamages everything
Necrolord=utility for when deathgrip and gorefiends simply isn’t enough. Damage would have to be ridiculously overtuned to be taken for damage.
Nightfae=15% strength/dr all the time for blood and kinda unholy.

In comparison shamans get 4 flavors of do damage and heal or heal and do damage. Which is probably ideal on the covenant scaling side of things but event then it has cases where elemental or enhancement have clear winners.

Kyrian=generally good damage and healing. Positioning makes wonky for pvp
Venthyr=damage and healing based on tuning pushes stacking crit which will not mesh if lava burst becomes meta.
Necrolord=damage for damage and healing for healing also creates combos for all three but the enhancement combo requires alot of work for little reward.
Nightfae=low damage converted to low healing. 3 second channel with shorter range that no shaman wants to deal with.

So basically even if the abilities are redesigned to do the same general things the flaw is that you end up doing different things and different content WILL reward some of these things and punish others. And thats just the case for covenants that generally do the same thing because many of them are pretty out there in their function.

Yeah like Monk right now is all over the place. Venthyr is by far the best for Wind and by far the worst for Brew. Kyrian is by far the best for MW but by far the worst for Wind. Night Fae is by far the best for Brew but worst or 2nd worst for Wind and MW.

What a mess.

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Are the monk things actually working on beta now? They weren’t for awhile.

If they don’t get a blue response on their feedback thread soon the five remaining monks might end it all.

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Brew is alright. WW stuff is pretty much all bugged. I think they have 1 legendary that isn’t bugged. MW has some stuff that is bugged still but better than a few weeks ago.

I read most of those suggestions Loryss, I still think they are able to balance them. Just have faith.

What has Blizzard done recently (in retail) that inspired faith?

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Ruin the game.

Then why are you still playing their games if you are historically unhappy with their design choices? Are you a masochist?

Because this game is carried by its community and raiding.

See actually doing in game content is a thing some of us on the forums akshully do.

I mean, corruptions were pretty balanced on release, right?

Ok that was the best one of the day.
Going back to serious now.

It’s hard to have faith when a talent like Lunar Beam can exist for 4 years without any changes. If Blizzard buffed that talent by 400% it would still not be used. I used to be optimistic about the game, but after years of the same old stuff you kind of grow out of it.

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Okay, so enjoy the ride man :slight_smile:

You seem like the person who is on a great cruise in the Bahamas and you’re mad you didn’t get a selfie with a pair of dolphins leaping on the horizon during a sunset.

It’s more like being on a cruise and the captain has decided to let a few people with COVID on the cruise and ruin it for everyone.

Zuldumar, for the last time - We’ve talked about this over a dozen times.

I’ll be playing shadowlands regardless, I always was. I’ve already got multiple shamans. I’m kicking up a stink for people who don’t enjoy actually playing the game as much as me.

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