imo this behavior is awful and should be a bannable offense.
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Why should Blizzard have to step in? Are we all little brats who think they deserve everything, all the time? I think people need to deal with it and dial back the entitlement for their own mental sanity because if you keep entering group events thinking everyone has to redirect their loot at you cause you feel you deserve it more than anyone else, then you are gonna go insane making threads like these. You lost the roll. Deal with it like a normal person.
You donât need the item for transmog though. Thatâs why there is a transmog option. You can always come back to the raid and farm xmogs later
10 man x 8 bosses = 16+ loots
20 man x 8 bosses = 32+ loots
30 man x 8 bosses = 48+ loots
This formula doesnât change whether you have personal or group loot.
Manipulating loot drops by armor stacking in raid was bad for the game too in my opinion.
Personal loot would NOT stop someone from winning something you want and it would also NOT stop them from selling it either.
Personal loot never had BLP either.
In fact, group loot DOES have protections against rolling/winning a duplicate piece (something you already have) where as personal loot never had ANY protections.
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This is a strawman. Nobody except you said everyone has to redirect the loot.
Itâs simply -
Need is upgrade
Transmog is transmog
Greed is to sell/DE
Trying to blame others because you want to be a jerk still just makes you a jerk. None of it matters if you donât care that others think youâre a jerk. Thatâs the only repercussion.
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Again, FALSE.
Personal loot you either got ONE item, or you didnât.
Group loot now 1 person can take MULTIPLE items
Personal loot = 5 items drop, 5 people got loot
Group loot = 5 items group but only 2-3 people might get loot
kinda like how it worked with the person who won the roll against op huh?
I already raid in core groups 5 days a week. The other 2 nights I pug because I donât want a Fri/Sat commitment, I just want to play what I want to play. And I am talking about HEROIC pugging, not LFR. HEROIC pugs seem very very bad since obviously leaders want high geared people to âcarryâ yet they often have M+ gear so they are free to roll on absolutely EVERYTHING and then try to sell it to you. People that have 626+ gear. They seem to be the most toxic in the pugs.
holy f, go outside and touch grass and quit complaining about loot on an alt character
Not all of us. Some, though.
Cool if you use that for your decision making, but that applies only to you. Not to anyone else.
You say false, but what they said was true and also not at all related to what you said here
What about this is false? Itâs objectively true.
With group loot, you CANT roll need on an item you already have. (If itâs the exact same named item)
The option for NEED literally disappears under that scenario.
With personal loot, you could win the exact same named cloak 4 weeks in a row.
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Yes, and while this is a fair point for perception, from a loot chances perspective, every player has the potential to win multiple items. Your odds are not worse than someone else in raid because of this change; both of you have slightly worse chances of taking home 1 item and a small chance to take home more than 1 item.
But what Flashock said was not false, youâre just focusing on a different aspect of the loot system. Group loot will not allow you to roll need on an item you already have at the same or higher item level (unless there is a new tertiary or socket). Whereas personal loot doesnât look at the items a player has when determining who can win loot or what item it will generate if they are selected to win; personal will happily give a player wearing mythic tier chest an heroic tier chest token while group loot will only allow that player wearing a mythic tier chest to roll greed or mog for the heroic tier chest token.
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Even if I won the item, even if the upgrade is marginal to the guy who demanded it, which it was, Iâd have to give it up, even if I won it fair and square come back after a weekâs time and maybe get lucky enough to get the item to drop AND get even luckier and win it. Next level entitlement there.
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No, Iâm not the jerk here. You people come here and expect people to basically carry you through content for no reward, other than what? That you are so special cause mommy said so? Get over yourselves. And whatâs funny to me is that you people come at this with a chip on your shoulder, instead of with some humility.
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âLFR is easyâ
âYou need to be carried through LFRâ
You guys canât make up your mind on it! Nobody asked for a carry, nobody begged you to be there, if youâre carrying. Youâre just there to take advantage of an honor-based rolling system and make everyone else feel bad for wanting to follow it.
Regardless, itâs simple, and has nothing to do with anything you just said â Blizzard made these loot rules/guidelines. We all understand Need, Greed, Transmog rolls, even if we say we donât.
We know itâs difficult to determine what is a combat upgrade, so Blizz gives us the benefit of the doubt and lets us roll when we probably shouldnât be able to sometimes. You can take advantage of that or not. Anything regarding âcarriesâ or âentitlementâ or rationalizations like that is secondary to the actual guidelines laid down by the game creator.
Itâs that simple.
Again, nothing is done about it except people might think youâre a jerk. Thatâs ok, right? I mean, youâre not worried about what the casual peons think, right?
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Itâs not honor based. There are specific restrictions on who can roll on what.
Then you are going to stop making up rules that donât exist?
I didnât say LFR, chief. Donât jump to conclusions. And also donât assign me to whatever groups, Iâm speaking for myself here no one else.
And no, I donât think we understand these rules, that arenât really rules, more like a system to facilitate loot distribution. Because if they did, the brat who cried about that item could have reported me for it and Blizzard would have taken action.
And frankly, I really donât care if these brat-entitled types call me a jerk. Odds are, they do that every time they hear the word ânoâ. So I donât much care. To me you people are so insignificant I canât even be bothered to report you.
I meant that the raid will always have those transmogs for you to collect even long past this season
Theyâll always have the gear to wear long after too.
Yes, based on main spec/off spec. Combat upgrades. But the system canât easily tell if secondary stat changes are going to be an upgrade or not. The âhonorâ part is whether or not itâs really an upgrade for you.
What rules have i made up? Donât roll Need on Transmog because thatâs not what itâs intended for. What part of that is incorrect or goes against the guidelines we know of?
And yet you continue to post⌠you lost the logical argument at ad hominems anyways. I think you do care. 
Wonât always be an upgrade though. This is some mental gymnastics, dude. lol
Is it an upgrade? No? Donât Need it
Can you handle others thinking youâre a jerk? Yea? Just need on it
Just stop pretending youâre âa good personâ or entitled to it based on the rules of the game XD
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