PTR Dead? Ruby Sanctum thoughts

We test PTR as a guild every time new content is coming out, much as many other guilds do. I personally spend as much time as possible raiding on PTR to be a better raid lead for my team and come in with a gameplan that matches my mix of raiders in comp and skill set. I find running with other guilds and pugs helps me both learn the fights from different perspectives and strategies, etc.

PTR Ghost Town
Fast forward to last night, the first evening of PTR (PTR1 / PvE Realm) and the server was a literal ghost town. As our team logged in to raid (~17:30 PST), we were the only people in /who in Dalaran or seemingly anywhere on the server, which is a stark contrast to previous PTR sessions where there are so many people Dalaran ceases to function. As a raid lead this is definitely concerning as PTR is typically some of the most dedicated raiders out there in the Classic universe of servers, guilds, etc. Before this PTR session, there was concern based off of the number of guilds that I see spamming for fills, GDKPs canceled due to lack of interest, and communications via other guild officers on server discord, yet we all expected that at some point people start trickling back from SoD, but that there would undoubtedly be some attrition from WotLK.

I can’t help to think that what now feels like a really rushed Ruby Sanctum (on ptr with such little notice, seemingly super early, etc.) is indicative of the problem created by fracturing the player base. We had 24 guildies on and ideally would have liked one random pug to join us, but there were no people to even ask. This does not bode well for the future of WotLK and potentially Classic as a whole. Maybe for most it’s because “The Guy on the Box” is dead and this instance felt like an afterthought in WotLK results in little to no nostalgia to go play it again? Whatever it is, I would love to see statistics of some kind for Ruby Sanctum PTR polls and if reviewing WCLs logged against Halion last night is any indicator there is significant reason for concern. I would love to hear community and blue feedback on this specifically.

Release Date
With today’s announcement that Ruby Sanctum will be released on 1/11/24 almost exactly three months after ICC’s release, I can’t help but to feel that this is rushed. Clearly there isn’t the level of feedback pouring in on the PTR because it was a ghost town. My guild leaders and I suspected an earlier release than based off the original gap of 7.5 months between ICC and Ruby Sanctum, but we were definitely expecting it to align with the completion of the 30% buff mid Feb. A couple weeks earlier isn’t a big deal, but I feel like this is a deliberate action to try to lure some people back towards WotLK as SoD slows down towards the end of the first content phase.

Impact on Raiding Guilds as Cataclysm Approaches
It is always easier to just be raiding in keeping a group together and many guilds seem to be struggling with this with current content. It’s my take that the GM and officers of a guild have to own creating an attractive raid environment for their raiders and that the players themselves contribute greatly to the overall enjoyment that people get from raiding. However, predictability in schedules and content releases is important to keep weekly raiding alive and meaningful. We are looking to roll into Cataclysm with a full raid team eager to take on new content. A preview of how content would be rolled out, much like Blizzard just did with the next few retail expansions would be awesome. Some smaller expansions may benefit greatly by condensed timelines (WoD perhaps?) Long periods of stagnant content or the opposite of rushed content that is buggy are both bad.

I know these topics aren’t new, but the lack of PTR interest was quite a wake up call.

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After reading your post I don’t have much to add other than to say I was honestly stunned by the state of the PTR for this round of testing.

My initial thought was that maybe I had logged into the incorrect version of PTR or that the content had already closed for some reason. Not once have I seen a PTR session this dead and can only assume internal numbers show this.

I am choosing to be hopeful that Blizzard will address the community and offer some form of road map that leaders can build hype around inside of the game.

We all knew that if they didn’t release Ruby sanctum in the first 2 months of ICC that it would be a ghost town. We all knew that for tons of people the “end of wow” is the LK. I don’t think anyone is surprised and Blizzard plan is already to switch to SoD, they already know that the Cata crowd isn’t the classic crowd so they made a new classic product.

No one cares about ruby sanctum, an irrelevant 1 boss raid loot bag that comes out right before cataclysm patches, rendering all gear irrelevant. They also dropped it next to season of discovery, meaning practically no one was going to bother. May as well not do PTR at all.

Personally I find it insulting that Blizzard still expects us to test things for them in the first place. They go entire months without posting anything on here, ignoring us and problems for entire phases, then drop in one day to advertise PTR before promptly ghosting back out. At this point the community must be thinking, “Shove off and test your own crap.” This is assuming people even saw the thread for PTR. Most users have moved over to SOD, even the sycophants that used to defend them in here.

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Alot of wotlk guilds struggling to even maintain a core roster for icc this month with SOD, retail, and holidays rolling up.

Absolutely no shot you have almost anyone caring about RS on PTR. There is nothing to prepare for. Worst case you go in 100% blind and fumble with mechanics for a few pulls then its over

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There isn’t much to test though.
Boss literally has 2 mechanics

  • meteor swap on the outside
  • spin around beams on the inside.

Minibosses got 1 mechanic each.

  • 1 dude flies up and fires at players.
  • 2nd dude does AoE with clones
  • 3rd dude does armor sunder with side adds & fear.

PTR isn’t even needed for RS. I’m sure some guilds have run it, posted about it somewhere on discord and rest didn’t even bother with it.

Both of my guilds went ham testing ICC, but neither cared enough to test out RS.

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I dont think people are coming back from SoD, man. This is Blizzard’s best work in the past 20 years.

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another doom post, people are enjoying other things at the moment , we will come back later

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They will don’t worry. Its seasonal content. At some point you’re sick at doing bfd and broken ashenvale. Also heavily depends on how long the first bracket lasts, which according to Blizzard is “a few months”.

Ruby Sanctum is not a new raid tier, its an addition to the existing one. It was just something to introduce because 3.3 was a year long patch. Once people kill the LK they are basically done for the expansion in terms of progression. No one cares about Ruby Sanctum.

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not exactly true, he is completely bugged and has been for the entire weekend

I guess I Should have prefaced it with dev team doing internal testing first.

Kinda odd though. You’d think developers would know how certain things are meant to function.

Just got back from SoD and I see RS followed by Cata on the horizon.

Going back to SoD.

You really cant frame it up any better.

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Retail WoW was created and played and enjoyed…

Classic era was created and took some of the players…

TBC announced and they created clones for Era…

Again the classic player base was cut in half….

Wrath was announced and Season of Mastery was announced…

The classic playerbase was cut into three…

Cata was announced and then Hardcore followed swiftly by Season of discovery…

The classic playerbase was cut into four… then five as the wrath private Andy decided they have no where to go…

Who is left to play test Ruby???

Three factors at play

  1. no one cares about RS

And

  1. wotlk is bleeding out, icc is boring and is dragging on too long and apparently it going to last another 5-6 months

And

  1. SoD is a shiny new toy
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100% true, my guild only downed HLK 2 days ago which would’ve been a lot sooner if we could’ve just been raiding with the same people. Roster boss is real only had like 4 actual real HLK attempts which for guild is like 2 weeks.

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: Classic devs should have spent less time trying to overdesign dungeons and more time analyzing why Ruby Sanctum was released in 2010, why it paled in comparison to 30% ICC/RDF as a draw, and thus why 3.4 as P5 would never serve a useful purpose today.

This is exactly what is happening.

WOTLK is not sustainable despite what all 200 people clamoring for era servers will tell you.

3 months per phase is the proper schedule.

Currently blizzard has a problem as subs cancel because phases have been excessively long.

Quite honestly, nothing about this the classic/progression style servers requires a full time play schedule which means you play other games.

SoD and Retail are your options to fill the gap. (by blizzard design, trying to keep you in house and not losing u to other games)

There should be zero concern over PTR. Ruby Sanctum wasn’t a big hit when it was released and its not going to be a big hit now. You can anticipate Cata pre-patch 8 weeks after RS launch. There isn’t much to PTR.

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Not surprised. When Wrath pservers (which I used to play on) announce they’ll be closing soon, they turn into ghost towns quite quickly.

The hundreds of thousands of players who want Wrath-Era have no reason to continue on Blizzard servers. The players who wanted a quick hit WotLK-progression nostalgia are on to the next thing.

I personally stopped playing my alts when I learned Wrath would not have Era realms. Most players who are passionate about WotLK raiding don’t care much now that Blizzard has revealed their intentions. Why would anybody bother with the PTR?

If that’s what you’ve seen, although I’m not sure if you saw it completely in front of all their PTR’s servers, you will have problems releasing Cataclysm classic.

And that would not be good for the future of better classic expansions like MoP and Legion, so it could be the last one we will see in classic expansions.
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