Title. I’m a rogue, he’s the guild’s main prot warrior. He claims it drops his threat generation and that he’s having trouble holding aggro. I thought it was a huge dps gain for all the physical dps in the raid. Who’s in the wrong here, me or him?
He is right. It gimps his threat.
You are right it is a large dps increase.
There are times both are good.
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Sounds like a win from a rogue perspective.
Definitely a loss from a raid perspective though, if that warrior is having trouble with threat then there are bigger issues at play.
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My question is should I stop using expose armor for his sake seeing as he’s asked me directly to stop?
Expose stops sunder which means the bonus damage/threat from devastate is no longer being applied. You are hurting the warrior tank’s job in exchange for slightly more armor ripped off the boss. This is not a good trade. Expose should only ever be used if no warrior tank is in the group.
“My question is should I stop using expose armor for his sake seeing as he’s asked me directly to stop?”
-Yes.
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Raid teams that run Protection Warriors should generally not run rogues. Rogues work well on teams that run 1 Prot Paladin and 2 Feral Tanks.
He is wrong. Sunder is an incredibly small portion of his threat generation in TBC. There are a bunch of articles you can send him on disc if you just Google it. Everyone in this thread doesn’t seem to understand that bash and heroic are what generate the vast majority of threat, not sunder.
As a side note, if he’s your MT, I maybe wouldn’t piss him off even if he’s wrong… Imp Expose isn’t close to a “massive” DPS gain, and you’ll just personally do more dmg and parse higher not doing it.
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that’s between you and him to agree upon, not for us.
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That’s how we roll, smooth as butter too
the real question is why are you iven using exp armor if you have a prot warrior ? …
Keep using exposed armour and ask your prot warrior why he hasn’t rerolled feral yet.
If your prot can’t keep threat with imp EA up then he’s probably not pushing the right buttons.
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Here’s the thing:
IEA is very hard to maintain high uptime. I also reduces rogue dps by a bit.
Sunder is extremely easy to maintain high uptime. For the 300ish extra armor reduction to overtake sunder in increased raid dps, you need it to be close to 90% uptime.
It also messes with the prot warrior’s threat. Often the dps chase on the heels of the MT threat so every little bit of threat helps.
In sum, if you have a prot warrior TANKING THE BOSS, do not use IEA. It is RARELY a net positive. If you have super high uptime, AND the prot warrior isn’t tanking, then it might be okay, but normally, IEA is for raid teams without a prot warrior.
It depends.
Either A. He needs more gear and the leaders need to help or B. (Most likely) he is bad and needs more casts.
Go to his logs and check his casts and compare them to any other prot warrior in a decent guild.
If he’s casting 25 CPM when most prot are at 50ish then he’s just bad. No other way around it.
Huge chance he is just sitting there auto attacking and not completely spamming HS and other spells because he can’t sunder.
However this content is an absolute joke and if you’re using a prot warrior you clearly don’t care about parsing anyways since prot warriors are garbage so it’s fine to drop it and let the man sunder.
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Eh, keep using it. And tell him to Roll a Prot Pally in anticipation for WoTLK.
A War-Prot tank has such a small job compared to Pally/Druid let him have his sunders. Then as we’ve said before give him his Glaives and send him on his way… So he can become a Fury-War and show you Rogues how to DPS…. 
Tell him to click off salvation
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Ret Pallies trolling Mid fight. 2nd best troll to just DI’ing a Healer.
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Your best option vs reading anything here is to talk to your raid leader.
If the raid leader tells you to iea that’s what you do and tell your warrior the call was not yours and your safe.
If he tells you not to you take the dps increase but than start to worry about them replacing you as if they are using the only utility of a rogue why do they have one. Unless you are one of there upper dps which is possible in a dad guild. As without iea your likly better on any other class. If you are high on dps vs guild and raid leader tells you not to use your safe as raid lead signed off.
As a raid leader if a rogue just started to not use iea without asking even if the prot warrior told him to stop would replace that rogue as your worthless unless your dps was one of the highest in group showing you know what your doing something I’m going to bet on not given your here. Would also take that chance to replace the prot if he feels telling someone to hurt the raid group vs pushing his buttons right is the answer.
While talking to him could mention but might be a bad idea why your using a iea rogue and warrior. Warrior should go fury tank that’s vastly better for raid team and pet pally mt with anything else ot double pally or pally druid is both better. Fury is completely fine for the only 3 fights that use 3 tanks. But the moght backfire if you don’t got the logs to backup keeping you with them countering your right let’s get another fury and replacing you.
Also this is a case should be posting logs or not hiding behind a alt as yours vs the warriors preformancw is what tells who is right here if looking at the optimal play that is not changing raid group.
It is a good trade, as that extra armor is a massive boon for the entire raid, including the Warrior, who shouldn’t be overly reliant on being as beefy as possible at all times to hold threat.
Devastate spamming isn’t the end-all, be-all of Warrior threat. If Expose is enough to make a Warrior unable to hold, there are gearing, play, and spec issues to address with the WARRIOR.
Expose Armor > Sunder
This is nonsense.
This is also nonsense.
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