How can you sit here and tell him that his opinion is wrong for not doing 25s when you capped out at KSM?
A +18 now is more like a +30 in SL. They increased the key to key increase to 10% and the +12 affix increases damage and health by 10% which is an entire key level.
Crawl back in your hole.
Capping out at ksm is an overstatement. Not caring to push any higher is the right statement. You know for a fact that if I can get top 1 world prot paladin in pvp that I can get every portals unlocks and mythic + achievements of it put my mind to it. Since PvP has been proven over 100 times to be harder than pve in all aspects possible. I just never saw the appeal to unlock portals when I have so many ports already and donât go anywhere anyways.
Also about the key levels, yes an 18 rn would be a 30 back then but what I said and explain is that I effectively changed the SL m+ rating to meet the new design of exponential growth while keeping the old difficulty threshold starting at a +10. Not using it to compare to nows metric since itâs too different to compare, both a integral to make the old linear progression into exponential while mixing it the threshold system.
Nah, itâs a factual statement.
This is a cop out. If being rank 1 PvP when Paladins were the most broken was so much harder then you should easily be able to get all the portals pre dungeon nerfs and pre class buffs.
What you did was try to talk down to someone else by literally discounting their opinion, as quote, âwrongâ for the reason of not timing 25s while you yourself have never stepped foot in a 25.
Do you seriously not see the hypocritical nature of your argument?
You said when paladin was broken lmao. Since when was paladin broken during that season ? I was literally the only paladin with vanguard and borngood with their respective specs above 2.7k. 3 paladins only lmao. The other prots were all way under 2.4k. 90% at least under 1.8k. So no paladin wasnât op and the opposite in SL, ret has a small time where it was very good in SL season 1 or 2 but then all the other parts of the expansion no paladins in pvp at all. Why do you think I played prot over ret lmao ?
The thing is I talk with the pro players and no lifeâs of this game who do the content and I have mastery of both prot paladin and ret paladin with proof from experience and current rankings.
If you care to deny my claims please do get higher than me in any brackets of pvp. I will gladly take on your challenge.
The only people who have higher mastery than me for ret are not ever using forums and those who play prot at high level only ever pve with it and arenât using forum either. Iâm one of the only of not the only one to have the decency of sharing some clarity on prot and ret issues.
On that note :
If pve was harder than pvp, how did xaryu get top 1 NA arcane mage in 2 weeks of doing only pve meanwhile Iâve never seen any of those pve arcane mage ever even get rank 1 once.
The fact is pvp is harder and every top pvper can easily clear the highest lvl of pve content as proven by many rank ones.
Wasnât that the season when WoG was broken and caused them to massively nerf the heal in PvP?
âI talk with pro playersâ means nothing. I talk with the president.
I also heard you got banned from the Paladin Discord.
Iâm not the one talking about content I donât participate in. You are the one here claiming to be R1 PvP, but trying to talk about M+ when you topped out at KSM. It doesnât matter why you topped out at KSM the fact is that you did. You are speaking to Avillager, who is a ~1% player, as if they donât know what they are talking about.
You legit told him his opinions donât matter because he isnât timing +25s when no one is timing +25s.
Again, you âknowing peopleâ doesnât mean anything. You are not them.
Also I donât know how you are claiming to have been the âtop 1 world prot paladinâ when thereâs nothing in your feats or logs that state that. You mentioned Xaryu and he has multiple Top .1% Feats to prove it. You have none.
Itâs almost like some players can be good at multiple forms of content. Not all PvPâers can be successful at M+ and vice versa. Regardless, his mage isnât in the title range quite yet and is short about 80 points which doesnât seem like a lot, but is exponentially harder to get the higher you go up.
To your argument that he is top 1 NA, he isnât. He is ranked 343 world and 81 regional.
You throw around the phrase âtop 1â like itâs toilet paper.
Wog was never op or it was op since season 1 of bfa till season 3 of SL midway through. I got r1 cr after that nerf anyways.
I was banned during BFA when I told them that prot paladin mastery amps was broken and the way to go. They banned me for misinformation and I got gladiator and soloed raid bosses and entire cities easily with it. Itâs their loss.
For him a 25 is an 13 for us. I just gave him the info in SL difficulty for him to understand.
And obviously with his lower exp on prot pal and paladin in general he shouldnât make statements like heâs a pro on the class/spec like me or any other actual pros.
Knowing them is also being in communication with these people and theorycrafting with them, developing ideas and understanding how everything works. If they tell me âno this wouldnât work because in m+ we have that and it requires us to use and play like thisâ I have knowledge that normally only top 0.1% prots in pve do.
Were you sleeping under a rock all of shadowlands ? I was literally the highest prot by miles in 2s and rbgs. I was also the top prot in 3s half the time in competition with stunandbung and I didnât even play the other half with a healer imagine. The only player to q at r1 mmr without a healer and win. Drainer tried it and failed. Stunandbung always required his comps to have a healer. Every other prot is capped at best 2.4k.
If Iâm the highest prot in NA EU KOR OCE and Iâm not able to get r1 title, thatâs blizzard fault for making season 4 of SL the least popular season of all time and bugged r1 at the same time (only 80 something rank 1 spots, which is normally 90-150) I was top 90 NA and our team got literally stolen a r1 because blizzard never fixed the lack of r1 spots that season and only rank ones know about that seasons issue because nobody cares about rank one apart r1s.
Thatâs false every gladiator can get ksm and time +20s. You arenât even able to comprehend the level of mastery over the game to be a gladiator currently. Go get gladiator and weâll talk more afterwards.
And watch the video where he reaches top 1 NA he stopped playing after that to go play classic bro you clueless and misinformed individual. He only did go for top 1 to prove a point, yet you donât understand it like a lot of other pve ers in denial.
Itâs pretty much damage. Survival is pretty meh still although bubble is up a lot more.
This is obviously a backpedal argument. There was zero context given that you were talking about previous 25s. Your argument further falls off because if you were talking about previous seasons in SL difficulty because he did run 25s at the time.
You can talk about PvP all you want, but you are not a âproâ in all game content. You are far from a pro at PvE which includes M+.
âTheory craftingâ Need I remind you how that went just a couple weeks ago with the .0.5 patch. RightâŚ
Then you would have the feats of strength to show for it. You are not R1 and you never were. If you are talking about server side only then I will laugh on the floor.
Much like how you are trying to discount my opinion for not being a Gladiator I can legitimately do the same to you. You have zero M+ experience above KSM. Stop talking about it. You are in no position to tell someone that their opinion is invalid for the sole reason that they are not timing 25s when you have no experience above 15s. A 25 is dimensions above what is required in a 15.
I like how you ignore all the facts that disprove a lot of your arguments. Zero feats, pvp sites not showing you R1, being wrong about xaryu, ect. You make up things on the fly constantly.
Anyone who responds to Mortal at this point is trolling the same as he isâŚ
since my only attempt at pushing for rank 1 was in shadowlands season 4 and it happenned to be the season with the least amount of player participation to ever have. You have to compare the time at which i got gladiator with any other rank 1 player to see what mmr i approximately got my gladiator at. That way you can also compare with our 2780 towards the end of season.
you also have ht tps ://clips.twitc h.tv/HeartlessBlindingJamWow-sLKJG9ITLpTd69Di
which shows 1 funny clip of us against AWC teams at r1 cr in the end of the season. If you do your research you will find out quickly and itâs simply because of your biased ideas that you arenât finding the information that would prove you wrong.
humans will not seek anything that disagrees with their views.
All I am hearing is cop out excuses.
Again, you have zero feats that show you were .1%, let alone rank 1.
Go back to talking about PvP. You have no business trying to tell other people that their opinions are wrong in M+ when you donât participate in M+. Do I go into PvP threads? No. You on the other hand canât seem to stay in your lane.
You literally have a clip from twitch to initiate your research from. sorry that im not a big ego player that takes screenshot off of everything I do.
if you need pictures of me being top 1 world prot i might be able to find some screenshots in my old pc at your demand but im sure you can find those with a time machine website on the internet.
Why would I follow a rabbit hole from a âtwitchâ video when I can just check your armory account-wide feats of strength? Are you saying Blizzard âforgotâ to give you the achievement? I also checked two separate pvp leaderboards.
Like I said, I donât actually care about your PvP stat. Thatâs me more so calling out inconsistencies. The point is that you keep trying to talk about content you donât participate in and telling other people who do that they are wrong. You topped out at KSM telling someone who consistently gets KSH and above to the ~1% range that they donât know what they are talking about.
1% of 10 000 000 is still 100 000.
0.1% in pvp is top 80-150 because it only account for the players who have at least 1000 rating in pvp. therefor it is not comparable in difficulty, or at least 1000 times more rare. Itâs true though that KSM and KSH can give great opinions but they still dont require 100% efficiency.
comments like that are factually wrong and prove the inexperience and lack of mastery overall. since tempered in battle makes you have to play around wog and sotr rotation to support your teamates and yourself. I saw videos of runs where the prot stops and drinks for mana.
Stop making excuses. Rank 1 is rank 1 and you donât have the .1% achievement. How many players in the pool doesnât matter if you are claiming to be R1.
Are you better than me in PvP, highly likely. I donât argue with you about PvP because I donât do it.
This is your problem, again. You base everything off âvideosâ and âtalkingâ to others. Not actually experiencing it yourself. Anyone who isnât pushing bleeding edge keys shouldnât be going oom. If they are it means they are playing inefficiently period. I have 5/8 +12s timed and have never stopped to drink. There have been other people saying that drinking means inefficient play as well. You are showing extreme bias by cherry picking âdataâ from other people and giving them more weight.
We do not have a mana problem. The exception, top end players doing keys well beyond key balancing, does not represent the whole.
i agree with you on that but the game must be balanced around the highest possible difficulty and not fall like in pvp where they stopped doing that and now balance around average player, making harder spec to play broken like feral druid in pvp.
I agree with you, but also recognize that itâs impossible to balance meta because those are formed based on the community perception. A lot of players switch specs/classes if they see the top players doing something without understanding why.
To that point, the âhighest difficultyâ in M+ that Blizzard tunes it for is +10 because that is where rewards end. With the +10 range, which if you can remember, most people were crying about because of difficulty it is actually pretty balanced in terms of representation. Could it be better? Of course it could always be better.
| M+10 | M+12 | |
|---|---|---|
| Warrior | 24.6% | 27.4% |
| Paladin | 23.9% | 38.6% |
| Death Knight | 18.3% | 10.1% |
| Brew Master | 6.4% | 3.6% |
| Druid | 14.1% | 11.8% |
| Demon Hunter | 12.7% | 8.5% |
Itâs not until you go beyond rewards when representation takes a hit because of the pug perception of whatâs meta. BM absolutely needs a buff, but all tank classes are viable.
Now if we look at DF S4:
| M+10 and above | +15 and up | |
|---|---|---|
| Warrior | 8% | |
| Paladin | 15.3% | |
| Death Knight | 13.3% | |
| Brew Master | 4.6% | |
| Druid | 10.5% | |
| Demon Hunter | 48.3% | 83% |
DF S3:
| M+20 and above | +25 and above | |
|---|---|---|
| Warrior | 7.4% | 3.0% |
| Paladin | 24.6% | 23.6% |
| Death Knight | 18% | 9.1% |
| Brew Master | 6.3% | 2.5% |
| Druid | 9.8% | 4.6% |
| Demon Hunter | 33.9% | 57.1% |
What we are seeing right now isnât anything crazy. People need to take a step back and take a chill pill, thereâs already nerfs to Avengerâs Shield DoT coming last I heard.
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Frankly I hope they donât because prot paladin machine gunning out interrupts is the only thing that makes these dungeons bearable after the stop changes.
Warriors scale better with gear they always conveinently leave that part out when crying for nerfs to other classes.