First off I want to acknowledge the reason it wasn’t included in Classic even though it was in the original WotLK:
A. It let players level up quickly with minimal effort. A player could stand next to the class trainer in town and just click a button to spam dungeons.
B. Some players claim it ruined the social aspect of the game.
Now I can understand A, but B is more complicated. Random dungeons are a social activity. It brings players together to do a task. However maybe it’s a net positive social activity only for solo players and players in small guilds who would struggle to get a group together for a dungeon.
It might have been a negative for large guilds who had loot councils that picked who got what loot in the guild. I have always enjoyed playing together with a small group of friends so I never experienced how it would impact a large guild like this. I also personally think loot council is toxic and wouldn’t choose to participate in that. But I understand that it is important to other players.
I don’t want to ruin the social aspect of the game for other players. But as a player who enjoys small guilds and struggles to get a group together I also want RDF. I think it’s possible to make everyone happy. RDF would need some balance changes to be properly implemented in WotLK Classic. Here is my proposal.
RDF cannot be accessed by a UI button like in original WotLK. Instead you will have to go to the dungeon’s summoning stone and interact with the stone to access RDF for that dungeon. This makes travel time a factor, so you can’t stand next to your class trainer and level up with RDF.
RDF would have a daily limit. For example you can do maybe 3 RDF runs every day. Then you would have to group manually after that. This encourages players to stick with the group and finish the run instead of dropping out if they don’t like where it’s going. A limit on RDF also prevents spamming RDF to level up. Players who want to do more than 3 runs each day would have to form groups manually. Players who focus on dungeon runs would still want to join a large guild that focuses on that.
RDF would only be available for 5-man dungeons. This means raids will still be almost exclusively accessed by raiding guilds and probably involve loot councils. I don’t think raid finder was introduced until Cata anyway? So AFAIK the RDF in the original WotLK only worked on 5-man dungeons.
I think with all of these limitations, it wouldn’t be something that ruins the social aspect of the game.
I’ve read some other proposals (youtubers have been covering this) where they suggest only allowing RDF for Vanilla and BC content. I would oppose such an idea because a big part of what drew me to the original WotLK was running Wrath dungeons with RDF. Personally I would love to easily get into a Culling of Stratholme run, even if it’s only X number of times each day.
Stopped reading as soon as you started imposing limitations. NO. Put it in the game AS IT WAS THEN. The main fact that anti rdfrs refuse to acknowledge is YOU DONT HAVE TO USE IT. So for ANYONE that doesnt like ANY part of rdf…DONT USE IT.
There is no reason to suggest changes to how it was then. Just add it back as it should be.
I guess this should be called Random Group Finder instead? Since you aren’t getting a random dungeon, you’re just getting a random group.
I was in the no changes crowd. I wanted WotLK exactly the way it was before Cata ruined everything. But that’s not what happened.
Blizzard made changes. They took out RDF. Now there are even people in this forum whining about class balance. Like really? I want the class balance the way it was in WotLK. There shouldn’t be any whining. The class balance is supposed to be a static thing in Classic. It doesn’t change.
We lost. That’s it. WotLK Classic is different from WotLK. Blizzard has committed itself to changes. They’ve opened this can of worms and now they’re probably going to keep changing things until something like Cata happens again and ruins everything.
We aren’t going to get RDF exactly the way it was because changes happened. But maybe we can get RGF?
You didn’t talk about how you’ll sit in queue for forever because there’s only 4 people across all servers at any time trying to run Blackfathom Deeps, and they’re all dps.
Okay one There would be no point for them to put in rdf With the restrictions you’ve named and that wouldn’t be rdf At that point.
Secondly I mean they’re sure there are people that say that just like there are people that say getting rid of world buffs and The old pvp system in classic was good and classic class balance is good.
However to the other seventy five eighty five percent of us And a lot of other people that want to level And not feel like We’re hitting ourselves on the head with a hammer.
Rdf Is a 10000000% Positive I talked as soon as people and say they would play but they want rdf So they can level Even if you’re on a high population server I can give my own personal experience by leveling on benediction as alliance.
I could probably name on one finger how many people i’ve seen from the levels of 1-40 And most of them are nome warlocks.
As far as the social interaction defense Doesn’t matter if you can’t get people to do dungeons What’s worse having a random group all your questing.
Or going 1-70 At least without doing a single dungeon Unless you are classic and solo it with boa gear Which one’s worse.
On top of the fact Most people don’t talk in dungeons You’re talking me 1 out of 10k Groups you will have a conversation Outside of inv and gereed/need ? Gn That’s mostly what I see When I do dungeons with my paladin on the other server.
On top of that you don’t get killed recurpments through dungeons That’s even more rare You’re more likely to get a guild invite on a pug through naxx of Ulduar Like it or not that’s how that is.
So this social interaction people are claiming to defend it doesn’t exist And I would say over 85% Of the player base so again ya.
Add rdf # no changes lol me n my brother used it all the time was a fun way to make alts one of us would be heal or tank for insta ques was a great way to lvl now wondering around slogging thru dead zones just isn’t fun gave up on wrath lol way to many changes tbh think all the private server people the hired kinda high jacked it can just play warmane for free and have my rdf also lol
I’m happy with RDF with no changes but I would also be happy with the proposed changes.
The point is I don’t want to beg in LFG for hours to get people and then wait for that guy who needs to cross the ocean on a zeppelin and then run here from the next zone over.
I have 1 maybe 2 hours to play and don’t want to spend that time waiting for the group to show up.
TBH its too late now. those who were going to level alts have more or less leveled and now raid log like everyone else.
I think if they put in RDF earlier at the very latest when ulduar released I think more people who are currently not playing anymore would still be playing.
I wanted RDF to lvl my alts badly, I gutted it out through 2 AV weekends 1 with the JJ buff… I would have interacted with way more people had I been allowed to spam dungeons to 80. not to mention the fact that I probably would have leveled my hunter and priest.
at this point even if they put RDF out there I probably wouldn’t use it now