After fighting Rygelon in Sepulcher of the First Ones, I was reminded of Algalon. Both of them are from a race called the Constellars, who serve the Titans. While I’m not sure if Rygelon was there of his own volition or on the Titans’ orders (they’re not dead, just containing Sargeras), it made me wonder.
The writers seem to have been retconning a good side into the Void, though the Old Gods - direct agents of the Void Lords - are evil to the core. But given the whitewashing of the Void itself, does that mean the Titans were going too far with “planetary destruction” in stopping them? Alagon talked about “worlds bathed in the makers’ flame” and a “million million lives wasted” - that’s one trillion lives, or over 150 times the population of Earth. Killed by the Titans to stop the Old Gods. Algalon may have been the one to initiate the destruction, but the Titans provided him the means and gave him the orders.
Was it wrong for the Titans to genocide entire worlds to stop the Old Gods?
Does the fact that they did so make the Titans evil?
On that note, why did they criticize Sargeras for killing a Titan world soul under the Old Gods’ control when they have genocide-d entire planets to stop the Old Gods?
The Titans didn’t fry those worlds due to the Void. They did so because they found them too messy. Basically. So they reset the planet so it be tidier.
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The only Old Gods they ever encountered were on Azeroth and the planet Sargeras destroyed. And they were appalled by the torments and conditions to which the Old Gods on Azeroth subjected everything else, so the Reorigination could in part be a way of sparing Azeroth the suffering and horror that would consume everything in the event of a total full-blown relapse of the Old God infection. And in fairness, if the Old Gods did indeed overrun Azeroth again, everything living on it not willingly under their sway would quite possibly be begging for a swift and fiery death just to end it all.
We don’t actually know for sure what the specifics were on those other worlds the titans purged. They could have been planets where the elements, Spirit, Life or other energies got thrown out of balance such that rampant chaos and corruption afflicted everything, they could have been worlds overrun by demons that were so far gone it wasn’t worth having Sargeras smack down the demons piecemeal, or perhaps some were more drastic versions of Draenor, with an imbalance even more dramatic to the point that extermination was the only way to prevent the planet’s entire ecosystem from basically “eating itself to death.” Sargeras’ own reaction to what the Void Lords were doing to the planet they’d infested indicates titans do have empathy for other beings (their preservation of failed creations like the troggs instead of just killing them all reinforces this), so burning worlds may be a matter of the titans believing it’s an act of mercy when things on those planets have gone so wrong that anything less would be to prolong the suffering of the creatures living there.
It’s worth keeping in mind also that Azeroth is a special case; the Old Gods escaping and fully re-corrupting her in particular is an outright existential threat to the cosmos, so purging all life in the event of an impending Old God relapse may have been deemed a necessary evil on Azeroth in particular to prevent that worst-case scenario from unfolding.
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Why would the Titans use Light when they have their own Arcane might?
We’ve already discussed this; citation needed about the Light being called the “Maker’s flame” by the Arrakoa. When Algaon said “Makers’ flame”, the “Makers” he spoke of are the Titans, beings of arcane not the Light. “Makers” doesn’t mean the same thing regardless of who uses it (note “Light” is often used in the singular, while “Makers’” is plural).
Putting aside whether or not you’re trolling again, I think you’re trying to shift blame for genocides done by the Titans onto the Light. Does genocide become worse if it’s done by the Light? Are you going to blame the Naaru for the Titans’ actions too?
Sargeras used the Burning Legion and Fel magic to do many genocides, and Fel also produces flames… or would you blame that on the Light too?
So, in that case, their solution to a planet’s entire ecosystem “eating itself to death” is to burn it to death. It dies either way, what’s the difference? Also, was that wrong of the Titans to do so? Does the Titans doing that make them evil?
Most of it. Can you give me an NPC name, book name or quest name @Renautus?
The Arrakoa harness sunlight, not the cosmic force known as the Light. There’s a difference between, for example, the sunlight harnessed by the Arrakoa vs the Light the Naaru unleashed on Revendreth in retaliation.
And tell me, does the Titans inflicting genocide become better or worse in your eyes depending on whether or not they use the Light to do it?
Don’t play dumb with me, why did you bring the Light into a discussion about genocide by the Titans? It doesn’t matter how they did it, the fact remains that the Titans did it.
Now I know you’re trying to troll me. Not sure if you really are that ignorant about Christianity, but you sowing discord again… how Luciferian.
The mechanism the Arrakoa used to scorch the land in WoD was a series of advanced magnifying glasses to focus the light of the sun. There’s a difference between light as the natural agent that stimulates sight and makes things visible, and the cosmic force known as the Light.
Also, why bring the Light into a discussion about genocide by the Titans when it doesn’t matter what method the Titans used? The fact remains that it was the Titans’ choice.
I’m not trolling.
Your view on your faith is not the same as Blizzard’s lore on The Light. The sooner you accept that, the less dissapointed you will be in lore that doesn’t conform to your limited view of the Light.
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And you’re trying to derail yet another thread with personal remarks and attacks, and have earned yourself a spot on my ignore list.
My questions are about the Titans, the morality of their actions and the inconsistent writing around them.
Okay bye, I want to discuss the implication that Algalon suggested the Titans were usuing the Light for planetary genocide. And the implications of that lore and what it says about the Titans.
I care about lore, not you or your feelings. You just created this thread, you don’t get to gatekeep this topic just because it’s about The Light.
Thats an interesting lore question, is the light of a star counted like the holy light energies… since everything in wow is based in some form of magic.
but in before another npc tells us that Light is light whether we use arcane, life or death to achieve it. 
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I don’t think the light of a star is itself the Light. Otherwise, for one, priests and paladins would be more powerful during the day. As of this comment, that idea remains an unproven theory at best, wrong at worst. I’m starting to think the writers themselves don’t know what the Light is anymore.
When you say “npc” do you mean an in-game npc or certain types of real-life people?
There’s other sources of light such as fire, which a spec for mages and is also what’s used by Rajh, one of the four Titanic Watchers in the Forge of Origination. While another of the Watchers, Ammunae, draws from life, Rajh is not said to be drawing from the Light.
Back on topic, what do you think of the Titans’ actions? Since regardless of method, the Titans’ choices are their own choices.
Arguing with someone like Thad isn’t worth the time or energy. He sees everything within wow through a very narrow religious lens.
These types of people can’t be reasoned with. 
I wouldn’t swallow Renautus’ lies about me if I were you. And if you really think that of me, Micah, what you just said about me is wrong and you know it.
Do you have anything to say about the topic of this thread?
I don’t mind him at all, it’s just the gatekeeping discussions about the Light that bothers me, and his dismissal of anything that suggests the Light may not have a Lawful Good alignment. Maybe it’s Lawful Evil too, we saw that in the Scarlet Crusade. The Light is just a tool. Even in the hands of a Naaru, it can be used for Lawful Evil.
We should be able to talk about it in a lore forum thread without being accused of trolling.
I’m retracting all my posts in this thread. I’m not engaging in this topic or giving anyone lore points to talk about.
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We know the light can be used for good
and for evil, just like any other cosmic force. It’s not inherently good or evil, it solely depends on the being wielding it.
As for it being used to commit planetary genocide, I’d say that’s pretty evil
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Just this once, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, Micah. Forget about the Light; the Titans weren’t using the Light to do it, even if they’d used the Light that would be irrelevant and they weren’t doing it in the name of/service to the Light.
The topic of this thread is the actions and writing of the Titans. You and Renautus are trying to derail this thread by bringing the Light into it and you need to stop.
Do you think the genocides the Titans’ inflicted were evil regardless? If you avoid this question, that will be telling of your intentions with your previous comment.
Sounds like a witch hunt.
Simply put? Yes, it’s evil. Genociding entire planets because said life forms don’t follow titan protocol is wrong
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