Problems in Low M+

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So recently i have been doing a lot of low M+ 2-9 on my lower geared tanks because there really isn’t much to do on my main tbh. Well after about a week of doing this i’m done, i cannot put myself through this pain any longer.

Let me elaborate so i was tanking on a 370 paladin (pretty much just looking for a shield) and i set a little challenge for my self to A) pretty much auto accept until full B) absolutely do not look at Raider io C) if the group is struggling i will not leave and i will try to explain to people what is going wrong and ways to fix it.

And what i found was 8 out of 10 runs above +6 were complete clown fiesta’s. The majority of players didn’t interrupt at all and the knowledge of boss/trash mechanics were little to non-existent which lead to a lot of confusion and wipes. I’m not sure what to do i wanted to help but 80% of the time after the 1st wipe people just left.

TLDR: wanted to run low keys on alt, pugs are not willing to learn content, and leave at the first sign of trouble.

Sorry for venting but i really do want to help people in this bracket because in that entire week it felt beyond terrible and made me never want to pug again.
/rant

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What were the affixes? This also plays a big role in lower dungeons.

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Was it teeming and explosive? Last week was teeming and explosive and it is absolutely awful

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This is why sites like Raider IO exist. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you want stuff to get done, you just have to be more selective unfortunately.

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God bless ya for tryin’, OP.

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I’m fully aware of io’s uses i’m about to hit 1k score this week i generally run with my guild for 10’s and above, this was more of an experiment to see how bad the lower brackets really were.

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MOSTLY the issue I run into is that people that jump into M+ for the first time expect to just steamroll through dungeons the way they do Heroic or even M0 for that matter. Once they realize they’re in over their heads they would rather leave and have you hate them than be embarrassed and ask for help. If you did this LAST week then you are just a sadist, lol. Teeming/Explosive/Fort was possibly the most cancerous week I’ve experienced in M+ in a while. And while we’re on the topic, avoid Underrot this week unless you have a VERY strong healer if it’s +7 or above. Grievous is a nightmare on the last boss. :stuck_out_tongue:

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It was mix of last week (post nerf explosives) yesterday and this morning. Last week was actually more manageable imo

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I personally HATE explosive week as an arms warrior. It /feelsbad to have to cancel my BROSTORM when I see 5 explo’s pop up and I know I need to help pop them. If Blizz allowed them to be targeted by AoE or to at least have a macro that I can make to help target them it would make Explo MUCH easier.

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yeah i have a warrior buddy who just went fury last week for orb duty. He said arms was manageable because he could still sweeping strikes them but it wasn’t up consistently enough for him to do it full time(orb duty)

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Yeah, and on top of all of that, arms can get VERY rage starved if on Orb duty. It sucks when you have to spend a 2 stacked Mortal Strike on an orb. Meh. Good on you for trying though! Maybe we should make an M+ coaching community. It would only serve to strengthen the pool of players that are available for higher keys. Food for thought!

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:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

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I think the problems you described tie in with what the OP in this thread is talking about.
Not that others are agreeing with him.

There are too many ways to get easy loot, so there’s no incentive for people to learn and improve.
I’ve been trying to get a friend to improve but she thought moving the player/target frames around was cheating, as a result she’s got no idea when something is being cast so doesn’t interrupt unless we tell her to on voice chat. Of course doing this means her DPS goes to zero as she’s waiting to click the CS button as it’s not near her rotation buttons. :frowning:

She doesn’t play with health bars showing above heads, that’s too cluttered so it’s hard to help her improve.

Given she’s playing with the default UI I suspect many people are in a similar situation, they just don’t know what their target is doing because it’s in the top left of the screen.
The Personal Resource display has helped her notice her health better, so that’s a plus, but the rest is a long way off.

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Yeah that poster has made some good points, it’s just sad that it’s the current state of the community.

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BFA player is pretty :poop: in general, they’re being spoiled by Warfront & LFR loot and island.

Vanilla will bring better player in general, they’re taught to survive fight even during leveling.

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I totally get the decision to make them immune to AoE; that would almost completely trivialize the affix. I do not, however, comprehend at all why they cannot be targeted via a macro. You’d still have to be situationally aware and consciously switch targets, all while keeping that one eye on any possible interrupt priorities or CC’s you may be responsible for.
As it stands, having to tab through a mess on the screen (especially with teeming) to find that orb before it pops is just miserable.

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I’ll say this Mythic + has definite issues affixes are vary wildly in difficulty to the point where some classes feel like a dead slot in you group and that’s pretty bad.

On the other end of it MOP-WOD-LEGION left a legacy of easy loot. We saw this play out in the transition from Wotlk - to Cata to a certain degree. Easy Heroic and dungeon finder made sloppyness and laziness rewarding . Cata comes along with brutal Heroics (for pugs) and decimates the easy mode players.

You will find a lot of threads relating to Mythic + and Raider()io that skirt around the real issue which is it’s entirely in your hands. Join a real guild , learn your class find out all the tricks you can bring to help a run go smoothly and associate with other players who play the same way.

Pugging keys with randos is a waste of time.

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IMO, that’s a tunnel vision issue. My peripheral vision is more than adequate enough to see if my target is casting.

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Working as intended :sweat_smile:

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I’ve been leveling alts (I now have 4 120s) through normal dungeons, then doing heroic dungeons and I wondered if the horribly bad play I’d seen in that level of content was making its way into mythic+. I’ve been in normal groups in Shrine of the Storm where emotions explode because folks won’t do something as simple as “run through orbs when mind controlled”.