That’s my issue with it though. Who cares if your entire subscriber base plays nothing but humans. That is our choice to make. Nothing tilts me more than game devs locking me into specific ways to enjoy said content.
Like having gender locked classes, I refuse to play any game that does that to me as it’s taking away a decision that is mine to make.
I feel we should have the final say in how we look and what class we play. They just need to provide the tools for us to make those decisions. They need to be focused on their story content and gameplay balance instead of arbitrary restrictions that are silly for a make believe game.
Someone wants to be a tauren rogue… let em… what harm can it do? They focus so much on restrictions when they could be using that energy elsewhere. Just getting some of those lifted from mogging was like pulling teeth.
Another final fantasy comparison.
When you hit a set level you get a quest and once done all of your mounts can fly, even the ones that make no sense and ground designed. They do this because it’s extremely dumb to limit player choice for the sake of doing it. They have some absolutely silly looking ground based mounts that can fly and that’s all right because nobody cares if it doesn’t make sense.
It’s a video game.
I want the freedom to make my own choices for something I spend daily looking at within reason. I don’t believe being able to play any class/race combo is an unreasonable ask. If they wanna preserve their vision of the game they can put restrictions on pure or rp servers. But it’s always better when we’re allowed to craft the character we want that will be an extension of ourselves for as long as we play their product.
I meant FFXI to FFXIV. I thought that’s what you were referring to.
Going from WoW to WoW 2, I can see being similar.
from FFXI to FFXIV was a pretty huge leap. So I can agree wow would be similar.
I guess it helps that FFXI really wasn’t all that popular after wow dropped so it made it much easier to transfer the players over to a much more updated game on a much nicer engine.
I enjoyed the original FFXI but it’s movement and fighting was a miserable experience compared to FFXIV.
I care, because it affects what i see in the world and how i enjoy it. Gender locked classes usually suck though i agree, the only time i would think it would fit in wow is with night elves but they decided the night elf gender roles fell apart after the third war and there’s no point going back now. Its the same reason they dont let people gank you in oribos, what you enjoy can affect other players enjoyment.
I played both FFXI and WoW from the start. Many left FFXI and didn’t return. Some people returned but not many.
FFXI is a great game but just like being a WoW vanilla player playing Classic and expecting a 1:1 experience, it’s not the same anymore. FFXI is full of cheaters who applaud each other for being “awesome”.
I will not hold my breath on a WoW 2 but I always enjoy the conversation about it.
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What if they put in a toggle where it would only show you an appropriate race/class combo from your point of view?
What if they gave us the option to choose what our race looks like client side but our racials and original pick would be visible to everyone else?
You say it affects how you enjoy the world, but the same can be said for those of us that cannot enjoy the class/race combo’s we’ve wanted for years because of jokes like gnomes not being able to reach the light as a paladin when they can be warriors and priests.
Little things like this annoy me because they’re restrictions for the sake of being restricted. Wow doesn’t even know its own lore anymore and hardly anything is intact after all the retcons and other out from left field things.
If they wanna stop the bleeding they need to regroup and innovate. They crushed it in 2004 because they did away with all the things that made the earlier mmo’s obnoxious. Imagine if they did designs for a mechagnome druid that could shift into robotic forms of the druid shapeshifts. Lore wise it wouldn’t make much sense, but visual gameplay wise for most players it would be refreshing and a neat spin on a classic wow druid.
that is just one of many things that could be done to spice up a game that has been riding on the coattails of it’s 2004 to 2008ish success. They are gonna have to dig deep and try harder if they don’t wanna kill themselves off in the end. Just because it’s been that way so far, doesn’t mean it has to stay that way. They’re just fortunate enough that they’ve been able to use the same formula for so long.
What if they put in a toggle where it would only show you an appropriate race/class combo from your point of view?
That would just be weird and uncomfortable, seeing something different to what other players see, it would also be confusing with racials and such.
I agree it affects you as well, I’m just saying both sides have to be weighed. Certainly though i think things like gnome paladins should be allowed and at this point they barely have any restrictions, unlocking a few more makes little difference. BC ruined any chance of anyone having an immersed experience when it gave paladins and shamans to the other factions.
My compromise would be to have specific servers where things are restricted based on lore and allowing the rest of the servers to partake in creative freedom while enjoying a videogame. I highly suspect those servers would be pretty dead outside the rp community though.
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Segregating and punishing players is the downside to that idea, but its better than the weird having everyone look different to each other bit.
Not really a punishment though if you derive enjoyment from the game being strict to lore. People running around even now using all their toys to change how they look and do silly stuff all the time is pretty immersion breaking but it’s widely accepted because it’s enjoyable stuff you’ve earned to use as you see fit outside of minor restrictions for obvious troll reasons.
Rp servers have a different set of naming rules and stricter punishments and have flourished just fine over the years. I don’t suspect a strictly lore/rp styled server would be all that bad and it would unite you with other people who has a similar mindset creating a much stronger community.
Obviously things like lfr and cross realm play should still be a thing, but only if you jump to a ream via invite. Other than that the rp rules should apply for the servers being phased. You wouldn’t be segregated as you put it as you’d still have free access to all the usual cross realm lfg/group features. But then you’d have to be accepting of using those that your visual experience might be different when playing with the other realms.
Reboots, if done well are usually successful. People will ask “what about classic?” And that’s a good question. Leave classic the way it is. People obviously love it so let then have it. For the rest of us a new reboot with allied races included and all the retail stuff minus the systems would be greatly appreciated. Oh and advertise it and make the monthly sub less expensive to not only attract new players but make it more affordable in our hyper inflated idiot world.
Problem I have with WoW 2 is I don’t want to lose my mounts/mogs/toys just to play the same story and fight the same bosses.
Better to do a time gap and overhaul the whole world including Outland, Nortrend, and other expansion zones tied to Azeroth and make an expansion about us exploring the state of the world after so long a time. You could still access the old world via chromie just like other zones already do.
It would be a big undertaking but Blizz can do it if they actually put in the effort unlike the last couple of expansions.
There’s a huge difference between enjoying the lore and playing on a full on RP server. I don’t think anyone has a problem with the toys, those are temporary illusions, very different to whats under the illusions.
There are many things in the game that are not important to the game, but are important quality of life features that make the game more enjoyable to some.
How bout a big reboot expansion? Much like what you’re saying just minus the chromie time travel stuff?
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Same tired classes, same tired world. No thanks. It’s gonna take more than a reboot or time shift to regain my interest. I’d need a completely different world and setting.
The problem with WoW 2 it will most likely never be a thing. I just don’t see why Activision Blizzard would spend 100s of millions to billions of dollars developing a new MMO when it seems like the market for those types of games isn’t really there. At least not in the numbers to justify spending that kind of money.
I don’t see anything more than a soft reboot happening for WoW. But even before they could get to something like that they would need to revamp their development and narrative teams. Which I am very skeptical of them actually touching at all
Wow is already wow2. Every expansions has been an iteration.
Is that what people are referring to when they mention WoW 2? That’s not my understanding.