Does it matter who is better at the end? Ret was bad whole expansion nothing change if it’s strong late icc let it be especially considering that unholy was stackable and top dps and will be until end of icc progression. I would be happy with more bugfixes as some classes have a lot of bugs, but seems like trap launcher was somewhat needed for hunters.
What do you care if rets and ferals do “too muchdps”? I mean all it does is make it easier to clear the raids. Easier run means easier loot and im all for it
Feral should never have been buffed.
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I do think they should have put that talent nerf they tried onto the glyph they made for feral so that their DPS is a bit closer to the rest of the A tier sims.
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It is not bad now.
please no more bearweaving
Not bad, not good its 10th specialization in dps according to data of 95+ percentile logs, and it was really bad majority of wrath. Not like I really think they should buff retri I still kinda think fixing bugs and not adding random stuff is way better but oh really it doesn’t matter if retri will be #3 #5 or even #1 with sm and jar at the end of icc.
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Then why not just make warriors do too much dps? Balance is an important element of the game. You can’t ignore it.
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Which makes it really weird that you’re crying about it this much considering it’s currently looking closer than it has in a decade.
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phase 1 wotlk was one of the worst balanced iterations of the game so far. if classic didnt have world buffs or a buff cap it would be closer than wotlk minus a couple specs.
ICC will shape up to be decently close but still some really weird and bad ranks because of arbitrary private server level changes
you simply cannot have high utility, mana-to-healing, raid cooldowns (brez, innervate, dsac) like classes being rank #1 or close to rank 1 dps without making the lower utility classes feel really bad
there is a reason many guilds run 4+ paladins while also running 0-1 warriors
there is a reason that world first guilds take 0 dps warriors if they have 1 prot warrior
its because warrior is objectively not great when compared to other options. At least elemental shamans, boomkins, Spriests, rets, ferals, etc all have reasons to make it desirable to have 1 in the raid. Since prot can commanding shout there is actually 0 reason to bring a dps warrior if you have a prot war. Feral overlaps the warrior’s other buffs, is rank #1 on dps, and can also bring a battle rez and innervate. A fury warrior is just some class that does mediocre damage, takes 5% more dmg in zerker stance, and can’t use their defensive cooldown without a penalty. Meanwhile feral can barkskin and laststand, rets and divine prot, enhance can shamanistic rage, UH DK can AMS or icebound fortitude, rogue can evasion or feint/vanish/cloak, and keep doing full dps…
The list goes on. The data proves it. Warrior has long been the least brought class to raids all of WotLK.
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At least you said paladin and not ret here cause you know as well as everyone else that no one is stacking rets.
No one is stacking warriors either.
Literally equal though, except for your imagination where rets and ferals can throw out all this utility and not lose dps from it.
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You don’t know what a parallel line is. Why you comparing Ret as a spec to Warrior as a whole? If most raids have a ret, and many raids have 0-1 warrior total of Prot, Arms, and Fury, that means Ret is about as popular as warrior as a whole.
Yes, paladins are stacked. Ret is among that list. 1-2 prot pals, 2 or maybe even more holy paladins, and 1 ret (now even can stack ret in ICC with how high their damage is). Warriors is 1 prot or 1 fury warrior if you want commanding shout, otherwise 0 warriors.
Great comparison 
If you have someone die and a feral goes from #1 dps to #1 my not as much (as you can instantly cast Brez after any 5 pt combo) I dont think your raid leader cares. You just took a dead player and made them alive again. That is one of if not the most insane utility spells you can cast. Depending on how far along the fight is you may have added hundreds of thousands of otherwise lost damage to the fight.
There is no way youre serious.
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Agree with the OP.
Better luck in cata.
They aren’t putting this toothpaste back in the tube. No reason to anyway, except to placate whining because someone’s insanely high dps is not high enough for them
Warriors were top DPS by a mile for all of classic vanilla wow. Let some other classes have a shot at being number 1 for a change. So sick of warriors complaining about not being top dps every single expansion as though it was some sort of guarantee.
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I’m not really for rolling back the feral/ret buffs but Warrior still wouldn’t be top if they did. Fire Mages would be. Also, stop going with this cringe weird class racism thing, if people are complaining there is probably some reason for it. In this case it’s mostly expectations and blizzard saying they didn’t want to adjust balance from the original then doing it.
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rip warriors
I was there when warriors were out of control on classic, but this argument is really stupid. It’s been years since classic vanilla. All specs and classes should be competitive. There’s no reason to keep one being bad. Maybe in classic vanilla, but wotlk is far from vanilla. It’s not the same game anymore.
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how is #4 st and #1 3-4 targets ‘bad’? lol
This is the equivalent of someone with a billion dollars complaining that they don’t have 1.1 billion.
Sure they have their reasons, but shouldn’t be taken seriously.
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