Well I was thinking about playing cata, but now after how they ruined wotlk in the final phase for my class, i dont think i will.
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Munching was a thing throughout OG, it was fixed in classic and a buff to warrior dps.
No one was talking about fiery.
Ret/feral have always brought good utility. I decided to play rogue because i wanted to do DPS, I have a feral, boomkin and enhance shammy. I rolled those chars to provide buffs and utility. Now my dps class (3 rogues) is next to unplayable, I cannot play assa anymore as it doesnt bring utility. The only reason anyone brings a rogue anymore is 1 combat for the debuff. I guess I shoulda rerolled all my rogues to ferals, but I trusted blizz when they said âIf the buffs put someone in first place we will fix itâ. They just donât give a F@!& cause they play ret/feral, we all know it.
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does rets want to cancelaura SM buff to gain hundreds dps ? no, but are they going to, yes.
armor pot is cringe sure, but we didnt get any compensation, overall we like the only class outside of unholy that has overall lost dps and not gained any and unholy was actually buffed by accident before the expansion cause garg didnt work like it does in OG wrath, it is way better.
and the reason why we dont buff warriors is cause âthey scaleâ, reality was, that it was only now with SM we scaled, yet OP paladin is equal to us and has way more to offer cause they got an unjustified buff and even more so for feral who doesnt even use the current tier legendary yet is doing better dps than legendary users as a result of their mega buff
Munching wasnt a buff, it was a bugfix. Big difference between a hundred dps bug fix and a 1000+ and 2000+ dps direct buffâŚ
Considering it was a thing throughout the original it made warriors (and mages) do more dps in classic than was possible in OG, so yes, it was a buff.
A bugfix isnt the same as adding a 1000+ glyph to deliberately buff a class. The dps gained was sub 200 for warriors so yeah, stop being so clearly biased and insincere. YOu are such a hypocrite it is crazy.
Fiery was a thing in wrath, Armor pot was a thing in wrath those werent even bugs, yet they got directly fixed to nerf warriors.
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For mages it really didnât add anything if you used any of the workarounds it added sub 50 DPS.
I guess you can call that a buff
A very minor one - less than 1% âŚ
Not complaining about Warriors btw - weâre okay right now, not bis but good enough. But the Feral buff was an actual firm and significant buff to their dps, the Warrior buff wasnât. It was QoL and a very very minor dps gain (which is fine).
The reason people are miffed about the Druid buff is they didnât need it. They were already on track to being one of the better dps specs. Without the buff theyâd be doing about as well as Fury Warriors are now. If thatâs fine for us why not for them?
Thereâs an argument that they have been one of the lesser played classes through Wrath and this is late in the game. But thatâs about the best argument for not changing it now that there is. However, the buff wasnât needed in the first place and isnât needed now. It was a mistake - but we should probably suck it up and wear it.
Yea I donât get it tbh, these ferals are people in your raid team, who cares if they are doing more damage.
You can even tell by logs that raids donât stack ferals even with their damage.
It literally doesnât matter.
I agree there - but I also see why people get miffed about it.
People arenât stacking Ferals to the exclusion of other classes, so itâs pretty much just more raid dps - and thatâs pretty much the only reason why I donât really support a change at this stage. Doesnât mean I like the buff or think Blizzard did a good job with it though. I think it was stupid.
So your argument is now the quantitative quality of the buffs rather than whether or not someone got buffed?
Keep gaslighting what i am saying.
A bugfix =/= direct buff.
The bugged behavior isnt even supposed to be there to begin with, meaning you are down x dmg and brought up to standard. Munching wasnt fixed in Wotlk cause it wasnt really known it was fixed in later expansions purposefully however.
Further to this the fiery nerf was greater than the Munching buff by orders of magnitude.
You really canât sensibly compare the Fury situation with the Feral situation.
Now - you could argue that Fury donât and didnât need a buff of the order that Feral got - that would also be true. Thatâs true of Feral as well ;p
To my mind the argument isnât about whether the Feral buff is justified or not - itâs not. The argument is whether thereâs a negative enough impact on the game that itâs worth reverting at this late stage - probably not.
Oh, ok, so I guess they should fix heroic strike queueing. You should argue this.
Further with this, the shatt wasnt a buff either, as it stopped warrs from losing dps, if you didnt use it to begin with you already did more dps.
Ignite always had coding issues from vanilla thru wotlk.
Wasnât actually fixed until Cata.
Sure you could argue that, so should tiny abom for ret and cancelaura SM for ret too the list keeps going on.
You making a strawman argument about something different just shows how biased you are.
All i said is a bugfix does not equal a direct buff and it doesnt, especially not when the magnitude of the buffs and bugfixes is 10 and 20x+ respectively either.
Ret and Feral are the only classes tp get these direct mega buffs and there were classes that at the time were equally justified to get em, yet was said (they scale so its fine).
Look how huge trap launcher was too, I know it want a big fix but it was an ability from Cata.
Surv is like top dps now.
ohh yeah completely forgot about that, a huge dps increase, and quality of life, shatt still was a none dps decrease QOL in comparsion.