Probably time to roll back the class changes, Rets and ferals way too high on expected DPS

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Currently 8th overall DPS spec. Already S tier means 12th or lower? lol.

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i call this one “when reality and patchwerk sims collide”, rogue was suppose to be bottom dps? how did they get above ret with taj & 4 piece? u mean the patchwerk sim was wrong? wait wait wait hold on a minute here, surely the entire premise of abralan’s thread couldn’t be founded on total nonsense

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Youre linking overall, and at all percentiles lmao. Okay, sorry, on Bloodqueen when she flies melee cant do damage. Derp!

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1020#boss=849&dataset=90

Instead lets look at 90th on Festergut, a melee pump fight. Ret is insane. Also, even on the chart you sent, ret is solidly ahead of warrior. It is on basically every fight. Ret also scales harder than warrior, and gets more dps out of Smourne, so they did break the meta. They shifted ret from the S category up into the S+ with the ferals (lol) hunters, mages, UH Dks, and locks.

Ret is basically tied for 2nd place with the other S+ classes behind feral, the most OP class. Cant believe that all the classes that got buffs are the best classes right now. Insane really, especially when you consider the criteria set out by Kris Zierhut at the start of Wotlk.

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1111

You’re not living in reality.

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1112

Ret got more out of Shadowmourne in the original version of the game as well, nothing got broken there.

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I like how you define “S+” as a ranking category, and ascribe six different classes to it. I suppose we have 6 “S+” tier classes, 6 “S” tier classes, and 6 “S-” tier classes. We’re then left with 6 more “F” tier classes.

But actually. Feral is S+. Then you get to categorize a maximum of 4 classes as S-tier. Otherwise it turns into a meme.

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Hey, if we have 6 S+ tier classes, that must mean the game is pretty well balanced!

(But yes, his perceptions on power levels have always been heavily skewed)

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1115

So, changing the meta and making them stronger than warrior even before their harder scaling kicks in was surely a mistake.

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I swear you look more and more the buffoon every time you post…

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Feral opening up a gap for #1 dps spec in the game even with fights that significantly favor ranged dps (or just hunters) lol come on

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I love how 5 of the top 6 specs in the game are ones that received Classic-only buffs. So Classic.

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lol, right? yet ppl (that conveniently also play the buffed specs) come on here and will tell you it was needed :clown_face:

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Fury got a classic only buff.

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:clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face: :clown_face:

Gonna double em every time you post in this thread now. Makes as much sense as you have.

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uhh fury also got buffed… :clown_face:

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The fury warrior is a bad example, as they are getting where they should be late game with high amounts of ARP. However, buffing utility dps classes has hurt my main class alot. I play rogue, the only melee class which has no alternative specs to heal/tank. The buffs to utility classes means people run one combat rogue for the physical debuff, and usually give them expose duty (which wouldn’t be controversial if WCL had a way to see just expose rogues but that’s another issue entirely). My point is that buffing utility classes to be better than a pure dps spec has made my class verging on unplayable for the final raid tier. I have multiple rogues and used to be able to find a pug, not anymore. No one will bring 2 rogues when they can bring 2 ret/feral, why would they, I cant rez or tank and I cant do as much dps as the classes which received nice juicy buffs. It is incredibly frustrating to have leveled and geared three rogues to now be lucky to play them all in a lockout. Guess I shoulda just quit rogue when buffs dropped and rerolled. I don’t mind having changes for balance, but UNBALANCING the game, WHY? Revert changes or give tricks glyph a change, make the damage buff count for the rogue as well or something.

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The change to fiery weapon lost more dps than gained from the shatt throw change. Not to mention the several other nerfs, alongside armor pot :slight_smile:

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Thats false. Dont make them not fixing something into them intentionally buffing something.

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Did you really want to use fiery? Cmon now.

The armor pot change was so ppl didn’t hold the raid hostage so they could parse.

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Feral is absurd right now, and even more absurd is that they avoided tuning by literally bullying devs in discord. Spoiled brats.

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