I know most, if not all, of the Priest community is sick to death of Voidform and the connection of Shadow to the Void. Perhaps instead of exclusively drawing power from a life consuming, font of eldritch corruption priests could rely on a form of psychic power? Several abilities (Mind Blast and Psychic Scream) already lean that way. Just a thought. I was inspired by the Mythic Legion Purifier set which frankly makes the wearer look like a 40k Psyker Inquisitor.
In fact, rather than overhaul Shadow, maybe it would be a wise idea to transform Discipline into a purely damage/utility spec and focus on Holy as being the default healing spec for Priest.
Disc gets brought to raids because of the (mediocre) damage it deals while healing making Holy less desirable. But in Mythic+ dungeons they struggle. So, why not improve Holy so it can perform well in any setting and give priests an alternative way to do dps while providing support?
Pretty sure this isn’t going anywhere. I think back in vanilla, shadow and light made sense to them, but now Void is very much the opposite. You have old gods vs Naaru, Alleria and Turalyon, void naaru and light naaru etc. I think they developed void and old gods much more than what was there when shadow was original. I just don’t see it going away from void, but they might incorporate older shadow spells.
Anything spiritual related draws on ESP. To connect to the spiritual realm, to the divine or demonic, one must have a certain level of ESP capabilities.
The old shadow form actually has a lot of psychic abilities, two of them were described by the OP~ Mindblast and pyshic scream. Then lets not forget about mind control, Mind sear, mind flay, psy fiend.
Even Vampiric touch and vampirc embrace are two forms of psychic attacks. In real life terms, you can classify it as “Energy Vampires.” People who drain energy from others to fuel themselves. It can be very toxic to people, especially highly sensitive people like empaths.
Void actually is actually rather forced imo. it competes with shadow form. If anything, the void form needs to be its own spec, not merged with shadow.
IMO, void form would be better for disc. Disc seems to love that Light vs dark theme…
I’d rather they create a new class for that lore just as they did for Lich King (Undead) with Death Knights, Kung-Fu with Monks and Demons with Demon Hunters.
If it means that much to them, just make a new ranged class (we’ve only had melee new classes) and have it wear mail just to balance out the armor sets a bit better lol.
I agree…
We need more range classes. So many melee heroes in a row, so lame!
Void itself its a field that can form many specs from. This should not be thrown down priest’s face and ruin its design.
We have so many elements for range classes – Demon hunters, Mystic, Time magic, ethereal magic, Air offensive magic, water offensive magic (not just healers – shaman resto), void, etc list can go on.
I’m not disagreeing, I’m just saying don’t expect void theme to go away. Light and void have been heavily expanded since the inception, they really didn’t have a path in mind for shadow at vanilla but now they do.
I would be very surprised if the theme got walked back with all the void development that’s taken place is all.
It isn’t really hyperbolic lol. Do a search for #RemoveVoidform
It’s basically the only thing people have been saying on the Alpha forum since it is the singular thing that is both a mechanical problem AND totally unfun because of the loss of our borrowed power.
Not once did I say there wasn’t a group of people that wanted to gone. I’m saying it’s hyperbolic to say “Every single person wants void form gone”, because I for sure don’t, and in the save void form thread there’s a good chunk of people who don’t either.
Then there is no point in stating that statement, he said most
and if not most
Then all.
So again, its not a hyperbolic… this is just a pointless statement to make, no offense.
and its also not something to make a deal of ether so w.e.
This is the part of their statement that is the problem. The people that don’t like void form are one group, the people who do like void form and want it reworked are another, the people who like void form as is and just want them to buff it are another. The idea that even 95% of people want shadow changed is hyperbolic. Now you if you wanted to say “there’s a sizable amount of people who want void form gone” that’s an entirely different argument. As I’ve said before, shadow’s design is not a black and white argument, and that’s partially why Blizzard’s having issues with balancing it. A lot of people want a Devouring Plague play style, but a lot of people want them to make Void Form work.
The problem with Voidform and frankly why anyone who wants it “fixed” or even “likes it” (a miniscule minority) is that it doesn’t work on a purely mechanical level. On top of Shadow relying on borrowed power for TWO expansions to function, we are the ONLY class that relies on ramp to function. We have to ramp into Voidform, then we have to ramp up enough stacks for Lingering Insanity to get back into Voidform. In BFA we also had to ramp up Chorus of Insanity as well. It’s a non-stop ramp game that causes our dps to absolutely suck if literally ANYTHING goes wrong (think high movement or transitional down time). This makes shadow one of the higher skill caps in the game, which I’m sure people feel… good about? But a class that’s high skill shouldn’t be high skill because of mechanical failings inherent to the design. I don’t know about you, but I’m bloody sick of Ret Paladins, Demonhunters and Fire Mages just phoning it in and beating us on the meters will having infinitely more mobility and survivability.
This would accomplish nothing but split the priest community even worse than it already is with void form vs no void form. Reworking specs/classes to be unrecognizable to what they used to be is a bad idea.
I think you’re confusing game play mechanics with class fantasy. People are sick of Voidform because it got nerfed at the start of BFA and they want their legion version back. I’ve never heard anyone say they don’t like the class fantasy of Shadow. (Until this thread, and even still people are really only saying they don’t like Voidform (the mechanic) and want it changed)
I actually like that Shadow now has an origin. Before it was just like “it’s shadow magic. Where’s it come from? Who knows. It’s just shadow magic”
Now it actually has origins with the Void Lords. We’re literally using Old God magic.
And the mind powers fit perfectly with how the Old Gods operate. I love Shadows fantasy and aesthetic.
I love that we’re finally getting answers other than “I don’t know where it comes from, but it’s the same as Warlocks, but it’s also not Fel” (So not the same as Warlocks by the way)
People are asking for voidform and its whole mechanic to be removed. People want shadow form back to how it used to be, specifically when shadow orbs was a thing.
We the priest player base do not want to keep playing with this ramp up mechanic period. Voidform would have not been bad if it wasn’t design like this.
The whole design is flawed from beginning to end and is rather forced. it just plays tug of war with shadow form in its current condition.
As we go to class designs
Void form realistically does not fit with shadowpriest, not in its current design at least.
ether you give it a spec of its own or a class of its own if you desire to follow this current build.
While we’re at it, this class should
RDPS, RDPS, Heals.
With Mail Armor.
Every class added has been a melee and tank. We don’t need more. Mail is the most underused armor type, so it makes sense for that to be the armor type.
Hero class or standard, I don’t really care. AND THEY’D BETTER LET ORCS ROLL IT.
Why did you derail this thread to a mechanics rant?
The OP is literally talking about the class fantasy.
Also, I didn’t say you don’t like Voidform. If anything I said;
I’m literally agreeing with you that the current version of void form’s mechanics is what people dislike most about the spec.
But I also stated that the mechanics have nothing to do with the class fantasy of an Old God power wielding, telepath. Which is what the OP was originally referring to.
Void and Shadow and synonyms. Just like Holy and Light. It’s the same thing with a different name.
Again, you’re just complaining about the mechanics of the ability Voidform, and arn’t focusing on the aesthetics and fantasy of it.
Mechanics and fantasy are two different things in this scenario. Void form (fantasy) is just an improved, more powered up version of Shadow Form.
You aren’t looking in the right places. It’s all over the place. A lot of people (myself included) loved the ambiguity that shadow was. Drawing power from multiple sources of dark power such as death, psychics, void, and vampirism. Dark angels and shadow ravens, plaguing the mind and literally just saying the word pain to inflict it onto their enemies. Always able to call back to the light when they needed it most.
Shadow had a theme. Just because it wasn’t devotion to one type of magic does not mean it was missing a theme. The fact that they were shrouded in mystery was great.
Edit: I thought the void theme was sick when it was first announced but now that literally everything is bathing in void and tentacles it’s cliche and boring. It’s not special anymore. They literally made a race that is themed after what shadow is supposed to be. Except classes that have a better gameplay experience get to have it, too.