Premades should fight Premades. Simple as that

I think they pay more attention to the comments made in the text field they provide you when someone cancels their account. :slight_smile:

And, while they may not care much about pvp. If a lot of pvpers are stating the same reason as to why they quit then something could change. Like gearing in Shadowlands, for example.

That said, I have no idea how many have quit because of premades or bothered stating that as the reason and I see the entire thing as being entirely moot since solo/duo queue BGs exist.

You should consider joining some of the Horde comms im in like Horde BGs and True Blood

Not because everyone is a Gladiator, some people aren’t that good. Simply playing with geared players usually makes a match competitive, but the point isn’t to stomp your BGs. It’s that having a community of friends is one of the best parts of WoW.

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Yep. Used to run RBGs back in the day. Gave up after the rampant cheating in MoP.

Not at all, though I do wish they made the groups a bit more even. Matches are way more fun when they aren’t lopsided.

Yea, I can do that as well, but not against a premade. :smiley:

For sure. I do these games really casually while waiting on RSS queues or just while killing some time. Just seems to happen a lot these days where one team is getting completely dominated by another, even outside of premade involvement.

To that, I don’t like stomping bgs either. While I want todo good personally, farming a gy gets boring. =/

Community is really awful and you have to put up with a lot of crap if you want to get rating

I think bob went 43-0 against franz’s group the other day and we only had 3

100% agreed

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/make-a-premade-only-button/1759919

You’re acting like people who premade enjoy it too.

A lot do, but a lot don’t

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Some people queue without even 600k HP :person_shrugging:

Creates really lopsided matches, especially if one team has undergeared Healers

I’ve seen several people say they should just limit how many people can queue together, but the reality is it’s all circumvent-able. We did it back in Vanilla - WotLK, and sporadically each expansion since - including 40man BGs. If you have more then one group, the team leaders just coordinated when you press the queue button, and then everyone notifies when the queue pops. Then, only accept if everyone got it.

This would mean, even 3 groups of 2 players (if limited to 2), can still easily get into the same BG together. Admittedly, back in the day, it wasn’t 100% of the time, but it overwhelmingly often worked.

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Well, there just wasn’t much reason to try and push for titles when everyone got them for free when wintrading matches was easy. There was a three week span in MoP where 1,000’s of players got their 2400 achieve doing nothing.

I tried to do some RBGs later on and just kept facing bots at 2200-2300. Was boring. Teams with 2-3 affliction locks using rotation bots got old. That and the excessive use of known exploits. Running into Bailamos doing carries while they used every known exploit was common place. He later argued with me that the exploits were within the rules and they weren’t cheating.

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I can’t focus when I hear hard R’s and everyone yelling at the other person how bad they are

I tried it

got 2350 in s1 DF (hero was 2400ish)

Just stopped qing because I didn’t wanna deal

RBG’s aren’t fun on the high end. That’s not “playing with friends”

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The RBG community has been in shambles since the end of Cata, in my opinion. Everything you mentioned is true, and it’s so unfortunate considering it was the most interesting time I had ever PvP’d since the original ranking system in Vanilla in WoW.

Arena was never fun to me. So many classes and spec’s just left to die by the Dev’s which only forced you into a pigeon-hole. That’s poor design in my mind, and not engaging.

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Randoms are the beer league of WoW

you get owned, and you own

You devolope rivalries with opposing groups. Sometimes you duo Q, get rolled by someone you know and then it’s time to “assemble the squad”

I refuse to solo Q healer, healing pugs is awful

Sometimes I wish there was MMR, but I really want them to make it so 5 people can only Q into 5 people

The appeal to no MMR is I can just invite anyone to my group

It’s true

Random BG reputation is a real thing

You start off the night just chillin with some homies and end the night defending your honor

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Random bg community has been lit recently

Hugh, appolo, deso, me, you, bob does his own thing sometimes, MG baddies, elite horde is qing more, old gods. Even BSG has been getting into randoms with their best players.

Loving the competition

Should also be noted that “real games” where both teams have a super solid premade are the most fun for everyone.

Huge teamfights mid with a stall, that come down to who had better pugs. That’s what you want as a pug right? Be the person to make the difference?

True I don’t even know who you are!

it’s all banter lizard friend

Solo/duo queue BGs give you a lot of opportunity for “making a difference” one way or the other. There are mismatches, but it is not as common as random BGs. Not sure why you just don’t do those instead.

Yes, if you get high in rating the queue times can get bad but below that the queue time are similar to what you have queuing as alliance. Get a healer friend and the queue times will drop significantly.

The most friendly mode in the game for solo/duo players of any skill level and for casual or new players is Blitz.

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I’m surprised by this. I find if I play my healer(s), those are the most interesting games in a PUG. I find I can effect the outcome the most considering the power of a healer vs a dps.

I will concede you are totally at the whim of what the majority are doing, and if that happens to not be the objective, it can be frustrating, but if you win the group battle, I find mentioning completing the objective at that point tends to get people moving in that direction.

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I used to solo Q all the time, then I realized if I follow around the warrior doubling everyones damage that also intervenes me on cooldown I have a lot more fun

I keep him alive, I win

I let him die, I lose

I solo q’d all of s1 shadowlands, and then started trying to find DPS to heal. Met Joker/bob and i’ve been playing with them ever since

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Yea, cata was a ton of fun for RBGs and it was honestly one of the few things fun in the game. PvE was a mess by the end. Arena was totally dominated by PvE and RLS. While RBGs did have a lot of PvE in them, it somewhat evened out and you didn’t have to clear DS for most of the good trinkets.

MoP started out fun, but fell off quickly. It took them months to fix a known exploit. I think it was that very first Christmas in MoP where everything started to fall a part. From Basically Dec 25th to Jan 15th roughly, every other match was someone cheating. After that, making groups got super difficult. You had to inspect every single player and lots of ‘honest’ players got mixed up in the wintrading. So everyone got free rating.

Even after that was fixed though, cheating was still rampant. People found that you could stack the worgen mounted speed with tiger’s lust for fast capping. That went on for awhile. Then it was AOE gripping people into rocks or the chimney on Gileneas… Or using the goblin rocket racial to jump on stuff and be los. Then there was stealth capping. Hiding the flags in the walls. bla bla bla… The cheating was insane. So I stopped, tried it again an expansion later and found the cheating was still going on.

Hard pass. :frowning:

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Well don’t u Q reg BGs sometime and find out ( p - n-)p

so, anything you don’t like or didn’t expect or didn’t have a counter for was cheating?

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If you like random bgs there’s tons of small groups out there who just invite anyone

You just see them in your groupfinder qing and apply

usually really lowkey, most people are actually pretty awful but everyone enjoys doing bgs so it’s a lot more fun

if you bg enough you learn who the regulars are.

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