What a load of bs lol they are all bad it’s why they need to abuse an exploit to get wins in randoms.
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That’s what the report function is for. And both premades should blacklist said player from their groups going forward.
That’s the beauty of premades: you get to pick and choose who you invite. If you don’t like someone, you can kick them from the group and add them to your personal blacklist.
Premade communities who have toxic members, allow that toxicity to exist in them.
If they’re all so bad you and Charming wouldn’t be spending so much time with the bravado on the forums and queue up.
Like normal you are speaking nonsense lol I do play and so does he. Wanting the game to be fixed so people don’t exploit to get wins they can’t get otherwise is something that needs to happen. We actually care about the game and want it to be improved. Also, you post more than us just FYI.
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Why would the game need fixing if these premades are full of so many bad players?
Because the bad players are exploiting and ruining the game. Cheaters are bad players that’s why they cheat, should they be allowed to cheat just because they are bad?
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That’s how important communication is and the advantage it gives. I’m not calling them bad but I can see how a group of bad players could win with the advantage of comms over the other team
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How are they exploiting again? Pretty sure the blue post that’s been linked 1000 times disproves that line of reasoning but hey you do you.
Doing something not intended by the game.
There has never been a blue post that does that. There’s one you think does but sorry to break this to you, but it doesn’t. Unlike the actual blizzard blue post saying they don’t approve and it’s not what randoms are intended for. But hey, you do you.
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^ Achievement nerd whining about PVP.
PVE Participation level = average 2 a week
Honor level gained = average .001 a week
Forum whine/trolling = average 100 per hour
Do you get enjoyment out of being a troll? Is your life really that pathetic?
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The overwhelming majority of people in PVP content other than arenas are queuing solo. You misunderstand- you need to justify why your group is entitled to playing against PUGs.
So you don’t actually care either way.
This creates a massively inferior experience for the majority of people because a group of people who insist on ‘playing with friends’ and ‘having a good time’ insist on having a disorganized PVP opponent to play against. We know this because 5v5 arenas used to be a thing but god help you if you suggest these people take their 5 man party into an arena where they’d lose their captive audience and actually play against another organized team.
Which leads to a situation where people zone in, see they’re back filling against a premade that is dramatically better organized than their own team, see that over half their own team is probably win trading against the other team because they have zero kills, healing, and damage, quit because they don’t want to have their time wasted, and then subject someone else to that bad experience.
PUG pvp is an absolute exercise in drudgery because you’re rolling the dice on whether or not you’re even getting something resembling a fair game. And premade groups think it’s great because they personally benefit from inflicting a bad experience on people. Meanwhile PVP has fewer and fewer people every year because your average person is going to pick it up, get absolutely demolished, lose ten games in a row because of bad matchmaking and come to the conclusion that PVP sucks.
Because the way the honor system is designed you’re incentivized to end the game as quickly as possible, and barring that, losing the game as quickly as possible is still better honor than a half hour long fight. Which is why I’ve been saying for years that the rewards for BG’s should be standardized to the minute so that it doesn’t matter if you win a game of WSG in about 4 minutes or win AV in 4 minutes, your rewards are identical. Just like how a 30 minute AV will give the same reward as 3 10 minute WSG matches.
After ruining the experience for how many people? God forbid you get bored after winning a string of five games you were almost never at risk of losing.
It is very common for a premade group to dodge queues if they see they’d have to fight another premade group.
This is actually why Blizzard banned raid queuing in the first place. In addition to the majority of the premades just wanting easy farm games, if they saw they were getting matched against another premade, they’d queue dodge, leaving people to back fill into a game that was now unwinnable because you can’t recover from a game that started 40 vs 10.
It’s by design. These people are chronic narcissists who are utterly incapable of thinking of anything beyond it’s affect on themselves. Wanting to remove premades from PUGs is unfair to them because they think they’re entitled to a captive audience.
There’s a blue post saying a group of people ending up in the same BG isn’t a reportable offense.
Not that you’re allowed to pack ~30 of your friends into an epic BG where the option to raid queue has been banned.
That blue post you never stop talking about isn’t saying what you think it’s saying, no matter how many times it gets brought up. I know you struggle with this because you keep bringing it up but that post doesn’t say what you think it does. The same company that disabled raid queues and banned the use of queue syncing mods doesn’t want you to sync queue times manually, they don’t want you to do it all but lacking any way of proving it, they probably don’t want to implement top-down solutions that would impact the entire community because some people are self-absorbed.
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It says no such thing.
The OP asked if a group of people (a guild, in this instance) who queue at the same time, thereby stacking the queue and forming a premade, are cheating.
The blue posts says that they are not cheating.
No matter how much you cry about it, that blue post doesn’t say what you think it says.
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No matter how much you want to reword it, the blue post is talking about countdown queues:
At no time does it say anything about just ending up in the same instance, they’re talking about actually intentionally queueing at the same time.
Oh, but Mister Hirav, what’s this?
That’s not what’s being talked about here.
“Queuing at the same time as someone else isn’t considered cheating.”
Else. Singular. Not an entire guild. Remember what I said about you struggling with reading comprehension? The blue post doesn’t say what you think it says. It just says that two people ending up in the same BG isn’t a reportable offense.
It’d be weird for Blizzard to disable raid queuing, ban the mods that automate queue syncing and then say, “Oh, no, but if you do it over discord it’s completely fine!”
If you can read between the lines, Blizzard probably says this because the quiet part is, “So help me god we do not want to re-write match making to break this because it’d make queue times balloon worse than they already are to shut down one of the most unpleasant sub-communities in WoW.”
But go on, what’s you’re take on this unusual design decision where Blizzard disables raid queues, bans queue syncing mods and then says, “Oh, but if you want to get 30 of your friends into an epic BG it’s completely fine to sync queue times using third party software we have no control over.”
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From the OP, notice that they asked about a guild group, as in, not singular?
If it were 5 or less people, they could just queue as a group, there would be no need to mention a countdown in the blue post.
I know you may struggle with how CS works, but Vrakthris stated official company policy.
They don’t always directly address what is written in the OP. They expect you to have common sense. Admittedly, that is asking a lot from the PVP community though.
But come, what’s your take on this? How do you think it’s remotely consistent for Blizzard to ban raid queues in epic bg’s, ban the mods that automated queue syncing to circumvent this ban but then allow you to sync your queuing over third party chat programs like Discord?
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It’s entirely consistent with their treatment of another thing which people considered cheating.
Multiboxing.
Blizzard disabled the addons and banned use of automated software, but manual multiboxing is still allowed.
Just as they disabled and banned the use of automated sync queue software, but manual queuing is still allowed.
Use of any voice chat is not an exploit either, therefore it isn’t cheating…
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According to a blue post from… 2007. Sir, Bush Jr. was president.
So after removing all advantages to multiboxing you’re allowed to do it.
Which is why no one is multi-boxing.
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