Premades should be fixed

Your solution has a 40-person premade raid going against a team of random pugs after waiting 5 minutes in the queue.

Premade raids aren’t going to face anyone they don’t want to face. If necessary, they’ll continue sync queuing to avoid premade raid matching.

Some premade raids will continue to send in a scout to see who’s on the other team. If they don’t like who they’re facing (e.g. another premade raid), they’ll drop their queue pops. Smaller premade raids will bail against large premade raids. Guess who’s going to backfill into these games and get roflstomped? Pugs.

Your solution makes it easy for your premade community to bring full raids into random bgs. Your solution makes this legitimate.

At the end of the day, I think many casual pugs want a fair, fun game (with no visible rating involved). In random bgs, in brackets that do not allow raids to queue up, pugs don’t want their queues to pop against premade raids.

The other issue is that a 5 minute timer is way too short. Random battlegrounds, at least whenever I’ve done them, seem to have a 4-6 minute wait on average. A 5 minute timer would not be nearly long enough. It shouldn’t even be a timer, it should be only a raid queue for epic battlegrounds.
And for random battlegrounds, if you want to do a 10 player premade, that’s available already via rated battlegrounds. Not sure why we’d need an unrated queue for it, though I suppose it couldn’t hurt.

Either way, the whole point is that premades face premades, whether that be a 10v10, or 5+5v5+5, or 5+5randomv5+5random or whatever combination it happens to be, generally.

If premade groups are getting very long queues, that just means that the majority of people queueing up are not doing so in large groups, and the game should not penalize those majority of players to give the minority of players shorter queues.

If you want to group up with 5 players, you should expect a longer queue if most other people are not doing the same.

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What’s wrong in playing with friends ?

And you are allowed more than 5 friends

How about we do nothing and just keep it the way it is.

People enjoy playing with their freinds.

People enjoy playing coordinated BGs.

Let people enjoy things.

its not meant to be punishing, its a separate chance for the system to pair premade vs premade, if its too long people would go back to syncing and dropping.

remember that solutions need to be based on how humans actually act and not around fantastical ideals we want them to follow in daydreams.

They act in their own self interest and on their own impulses.

So in other words no matter what solution is put in place if a certain group doesn’t like it they will find a way to undermine it.

The current matchmaking system was put in place against the premade group and then premades found a way to undermine it by syncing and dropping.

So there is no solution cause 1 group will not like it. So the only thing to do in this situation is to pick a side and send it.

Yes! I’ve been to these pug vs pug games.

Pugs doesn’t even want to fight each other, they just go try to Zerg the bg boss right away.

Then pugs get upset when you suggest a team fight lol.

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Then they mass leave if they lose the team fight, just like some people here claim only happens in premade v pug games.

We should all join a community and kill off pug casual pvp once and for all.

Then when there are only communities left one will rise to the top and pvp itself will die.

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Except that premades can already fight other premades via war games, but there’s a reason they go through the hassle of queue syncing into epics. They don’t usually want to actually fight another organized team. Some premade communities do, for sure, but most don’t.
If they did, they’d do wargames.

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we’ve done wargames from time to time, but the reality is that it is not a substitute for daily play, its buggy and offers no rewards. its main purpose is for one team to directly challenge another, aka a guild sized duel.

its also not a random game against a random team. for example if there is 6 teams available to play but only 3 of them know of each other and only 2 have contact with each other and know how to bring up the wargame UI, then the options for who can actually play them are limited.

if you had the 6 premades in the queue, the system could match them against each other.

This would be ideal, but they would never queue for it. Too much risk of losing imo

I respect that you guys wargame each other sometimes but lets be honest, the vast majority of premades would stop if you were exclusively put against other premades.

Whoever is the best premade would queue but the others would leave fearing losses

Your idea about premade queue for 5 minutes is interesting however… tack on a tenacity type buff for the pugs and it could be fun

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mostly what you get when you premade is stomping on PUGSs which is why people do it. You rarely rarely go up against another group which is competitive. Groups will drop out so they just face PUGs. Against the pro-premade people need to be dishonest.

Everyone plays for different reasons, and I don’t doubt some people do it to stomp pugs. Everyone I know who run premades do it so they can compete when they run into another good team. My group will literally stop running if we don’t run into a good team after a while, everyone gets bored

I take it you don’t premade because that’s not true

I don’t know what this means

If premade groups wanted to fight other premades, why don’t they?
Rated battlegrounds exist. War games exist. There are options there that don’t involve ruining the match for the other players who aren’t in the sync premade.

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The only way to fix anything, is to remove all brackets (arena, rated bg, blitz, reg bg) only keep Epics.

Because people playing against the premades are not enjoying the game. Also “friends” is a very lose definition of the word.

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Because they don’t actually want to lol some may do it, but they are in it to “pug stomp” they even actually avoid each other.

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Most premades ‘dodge’ each other not because of the competition but because how ‘toxic’ the player base can get.

For example…

Premade A loses to Premade B
Player C takes a screenshot, heads to the forums, posts said screenshot while insulting players in Premade A for being ‘bad at WoW’ (lol)

etc etc etc

They are all bad at wow

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