Premades need to be broken

and that still doesn’t support what you said… you said it benefits your server… it only harms PVP and more people have complained about premades by a massive margin over the people who try and defend the idiocy.

Look at aggrend’s post… he got destroyed by almost every commenter.

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That’s not why I said you were delusional… again, this pesky reading comprehension issue. You know, believe whatever you want though.

Why should others and/or myself be forced to join a group just to do random battlegrounds? Why should anyone be forced into something just to succeed at it? This isn’t a job, this isn’t school and this isn’t real-life. I wanna get home from work, sit back, smoke a bowl and just do some random BGs… why do I gotta work to put a group together just to play? I que and I play.

Sadly I haven’t qued in 2-weeks because of the premades ruining BGs.

Assumption? I do like solo games, but did BGs somehow become solo content because I don’t want to be part of a premade? Strange… am I not playing with others? They speak and I speak back… am I speaking to AI?

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Ran 3 WSG for the first time in Sod today. One pug v pug win, one pug v pug loss against 5 priests, one pug v premade with 4 healers against our 1.

Premades aren’t super prevalent in my sample size of 3, but it was the only one where I was like “nah” and AFKd out.

Oh we disagree so it’s a reading comprehension issue. Nvm I know the type of person I’m talking to. We disagree on opinions and experiences. Said it multiple times in the thread (even if you don’t care), I’m happy for those who get solo queue. I just have a different view.

No, it’s a reading comprehension issue because you read and don’t understand. If something is misunderstood, just ask.

We do disagree and don’t see us ever agreeing, at least on this topic…

Let my slow mammoth brain handle this one. I guess my comprehension of the situation is that you replied “that’s delusion” when I described the benefit of stomping pugs. Okay I think I’m back on track now I really hope that’s it. I do think that way for SoD and classic wow.

Literally do the same 4 things in the same order but it’s what I do in retail wow. Not assuming or no ill intent by me here I personally just legit treat that game more for solo and classic branded games as more group focused. Again that could be wrong or right but just the way I do it, others don’t, easy.

Also random side note about being out of touch (different topic i.e comprehend this as me not replying to the delusion part), I don’t really use twitter so I don’t really follow Blizzard employees. I just replied to that post a few posts back and happened to agree specifically with the dudes take on grouping in a group game.

At least we can agree here :laughing: lots of different gamers out there I gotta be kinder to those with different opinions.

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I meant delusion in the sense that the idea of premades stomping people benefits a server… it may add a premade or two, but overall harms the game due to people’s frustration with getting rolled by kids grouping up.

I don’t follow him either, it came up on here and researched it… he got torn apart by almost everyone commenting on it.

I used to que a BG, then do some WPVP. That’s how I did things until I got tired of getting railed by premades. Now I just don’t really play much, do the raid and a little PVP along the way, then I sign out til the next raid due to waiting on the 2nd phase and premades. They should just make rated battlegrounds for premades and leave the regular que alone to players who just wanna log in and que.

I enjoy the interactions I have.

Lol, I know that ship has already sailed for me… I’ve accepted my aggression as part of who I am.

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ok as shaman enh let tell u all my exp

got exalted last week of 2023 ashenvale event to revered then blizzard force me to grind in WSG
because i have time i try to join a premade as shaman enh no one want one, this the best part of this story premade v solo

some classes actually don’t get invited !!!

so i decided to solo after afew bgs planned the strategic

idc about winning, play ez and lazy the only role u can do it in this situation (defend the flag) so i go up on the building wait till they come to pick up the flag if is just 1 i force 1v1 normaly i do win if is more than 1 i just ignore let they grab i just do nothing because all i can do is die, so by math if i have a chance i force 1v1 fights if not i just let they grab flag and let they win as fast as possible do the math u dont need to win to get good ratio honor/hour all u have to do is finish bgs around 10 mins. and btw u do nothing in the 10 mins bgs.
u cant fight a premade join then and if u can join help then win as fast as possible!!!

i really think devs are sleeping in on sod p1

as player didn’t cry about this premade drama because I adapted to situation but it sucks join a bg just to lose

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Lot of post, pro, cons …ect. I usually que solo and don’t bother with premades all that much. I don’t think bizz should get rid of them or break them up. Everyone should be able to play like and whith whoever they want in an MMO. That said I don’t see what the harm of adding a solo que would do to the game. Both sides of this argument win. Unless the argument is premades don’t want to face premades and that’s just silly.

I don’t play in premades, but I don’t think they should be broken up. Instead, Blizzard should fix the matching. Premades vs Premades should get priority, even if it’s same-faction. They should also further restrict who can go up against premades based on things like iLvL (there’s a restriction now IIRC, but it’s not nearly tight enough.)

This is definitely a problem for players without a ton of high-iLvl gear, and we do not want to discourage them from participating. Blizzard needs to get on the MM fixes IMO

Well, if you assume Aggrend’s personal X account speaks for the company (which it must, since they let him solicit “feedback” and post content updates there), they give zero Fs about this issue. The dude posted a pseudo-intellectual thread calling the concerns about premades “the Boogeyman.” That guy is so out of touch it’s insane.

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They should just make premades queue against premades. Then we’d see almost over night people stop queueing for premades and we’d get proof that all along the vast majority of premade players only play in premades to stomp pugs and the people defending them just don’t want fair BG’s. The people who actually want premade vs premade will still get to play competitive games too. So it doesn’t really hurt anyone apart from the players that enjoy Gy camping weak comps.

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skill issue, l2p

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You know what I love. When they all have boon buff that gives 20% speed, then they don’t die. So you have to deal with a premade and they are all fast running everywhere lol.

You took a really long time to say you like no skill ganking solos in premades, and then tried to rationalize it by saying everyone can join a premade.

Just admit you don’t pvp for any sort of challenge.

That’s not what I stated or did at all. What a disgusting misrepresentation and an apparent blatant lie.

Why would you make such a post?

Firstly, this is demonstrably false. I have the tabard, and I still solo queue, but so what if I didn’t? So what if I only premaded and sang praises and joy of pug stomping in premades?

Even then, what does your post have to do with anything?

People still need honor?

If you had posted about your joy of pug stomping premades, I would have villified that behavior. Instead i posted an absurdly clear post about how I don’t believe your self-rationalizations, and think you just want the current system to no-skill gank. My opinion literally can’t be a lie, though. Weird thing to say.

If it isn’t framed as an opinion, such as:

This is an untrue statement. I believe that to fit the definition of a lie, especially when it appears to be made in such a manner, on purpose.

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I believe you are lying, that is neither disprovable nor a lie. An interpretation of a written work, or post, is in and of itself an opinion. Try to be clever all you want, but you can in fact state an opinion. It need not be framed as one for the easy consumption of someone aiming to look smart on the forums.

Nice try, though.

I mean honestly are you trying to use semantics to argue my use of belief vs having to literally type out “its my opinion”… talk about a troll. Easiest way to say you have nothing to say, argue semantics.