Premades need to be broken

[Snipy-faerlina]

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

I have afk’d out many times when seeing a premade. I would afk out and farm for 15 mins then reque.

Well, personally I’d rather that than people staying and berating teammates or just not trying. If you’re going to be a quitter, I don’t personally think you should even be queuing, but at least you have the sense to leave, and not further drag your team down.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

Are you trying to imply that wanting to farm exalted for the bracers makes people disingenuous?

I think that there are genuinely a lot of people who don’t care at all about the BG, and just want rep, so sure there are people who are queuing BGs just to farm rep. I see that as problematic, because that’s likely in no small part a reason why we see people thinking it’s OK to join a BG and not actively try their best to win.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

the composition of a team and the lvl 25 imbalances

I’ve stated what my thoughts are on this. Sure composition can give a premade an advantage. To what degree depends on the pug, but typically a premade will have a considerable composition advantage over a random pug that may not even have any healers. That isn’t to say that a pug without healers stands no chance against a premade with a good composition.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

The premade I was in won every single game until we faced a stronger composition, it wasn’t ONLY because of that, IMO.

Sure. I could definitely see cases where everything else being relatively equal or close enough, team composition could definitely be a deciding factor. Oftentimes though, there’s so much else going on that focusing on the BG objectives, peeling, cc’ing, and actually running the flag, can really win games, esp. against average tradechat premades that are not very well coordinated.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

You believe a substantial number of the people who take the time to make a group are also the least mature or least sportsmanly?

I’m not quite sure what you’re asking here. If you’re asking whether I think that most premades are tradechat premades that don’t use comms, then yes that’s exactly what I think. I don’t even think it’s close, like maybe 100 premades don’t use comms to 1 that does, and I don’t think that voice comms is that helpful for teams of people who are not very good anyway, or aren’t trying.

That you said you use FAPs is surprising to me. I do not think most people use consumables, and I sure don’t think that most premades are very coordinated. Of course, I could be wrong! My assumptions and biases are based on my own experiences, as I suspect other people’s are as well. If your experiences with premades have only been tryhard premades, maybe that’s what you think all premades are like.

My biases could be due to the vast majority of my SoD premade experience being in no-comms premades that beat most, if not all other premades we face.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

3 healers is like 25,000 extra hp, composition is KING if the other factors are even remotely close.

If other factors are close, sure. And yeah, a 3 healer premade vs a no healer pug definitely has a significant composition advantage to the extent that composition is advantageous. The pug has to have some pretty good players, and maybe luck as well, but it’s quite possible that the premade is a no-comms tradechat group and they will fall apart if the pug caps on them.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

You don’t seem like you have bad intentions but you seem to willfully ignore some very common sense contexts here.

Honestly, I think this is the hard part. From my perspective, you say things like, “You’re sealioning,” and I’m trying hard to imagine that maybe you’re someone who happens to have legitimately queued into 10 straight premades, while I’m someone who has legitimately queued into 10 straight pugs, so neither of us believe each other. It’s impossible to know if you’re lying or telling the truth, but you’re name-calling, so that doesn’t help.

I know what my own experiences are. And I 100% stand behind my statement of:

@Snipy-faerlina

If you’re not prepared to try to play the game and work towards the objectives of the PVP Battleground, why did you queue?

If you are prepared to, then it doesn’t matter if you’re facing a premade or a pug, you go out there, try your best, work with your team and have a good time. It’s literally that simple.

Anyone who says that they just want to enjoy BGs, but doesn’t give it their best and quits (at least if you’re /afking out it’s not actively dragging your team town, but still) should not be queuing PVP Battlegrounds. It’s a PVP Battleground, what do you expect? I see the exact same behavior from some players regardless of whether there are premades involved or not, and I do find that to be problematic.

@Zuljuibiul-living-flame

And other people do not think it is OK for a game that offers a certain type of experience not to deliver on that experience. The odd thing is, against premades, doing nothing is actually more productive sometimes because it lets you get into a game where your choices can matter again, where you get back to a feeling/reality of agency.

Yeah, but that’s a different story from wanting to queue BGs because you like BGs. That’s wanting a reward and not caring at all about anything else, imo.

I don’t mind separating premades, removing solo queues, or whatever else. I don’t like the idea of catering to people who throw and I think the community will be worse off for it, but I absolutely do not want to be forced to accept people who give up, throw and/or berate their teammates on my team. I want to be able to exclude them from being able to play with me.

Anyway…

Thanks for coming back and answering the questions. I noticed you said something like, “I’ll answer later. I have DND now.” and I thought, “Sure you will.” And you did! So, that’s cool.