I attack the way you seem to willfully ignore the spirit of how a game should function and pretend people who get upset by the current state of WSG have unreasonable expectations, then you ask a red herring question that seems spiteful in nature. (asking people if they are prepared to try to win what is objectively an unfair match up)
since Dec 9th until I got tired of the awful pvp balance(game release was 7th iirc)
90% of my games have been solo que
I don’t do EVERYTHING I would do in a “fair match” when faced with a premade. I will not use(waste of gold) FAPs, or try to win the mid battle after the first loss, I usually go for one flag and then when it’s clearly over I don’t push people to pretend it isn’t over. If I ever saw a team continuing to try to win the mid battle I would engage, but I won’t take a bad engagement which typically means I am sitting and waiting for a long time.
(I won’t jump down from gy into 2 paladins, 3 priests, 3 hunters, and 2 druids)
I have afk’d out many times when seeing a premade. I would afk out and farm for 15 mins then reque.
Are you trying to imply that wanting to farm exalted for the bracers makes people disingenuous? I wouldn’t play this game PERIOD if I couldn’t get shiny items.
This is your first disingenuous and gaslighty questions. “DO YOU SWEAR PALADIN THAT YOU WILL SERVE NO MATTER THE COST NO MATTER THE ODDS”
No, I do not swear. I pay money for a service; I want a decent shot at winning and at least a minor sense that my loss was within my control.
Let’s take your logic and run with it, you walk into a movie theater and get assigned to a movie that is 10 hours of nails on a chalkboard, you decide to walk out. You’re unironically a quitter in the same way as people who see the crappy game ahead of them and check out.
There is “making the best of a situation” and then there is the prospect of spending 3 hours a night being teabagged by someone who has 3 healers and otherwise is clearly a far worse player than you.
You can have a different opinion, but I really have to challenge you to stay grounded to earth or at least admit you are being kind of ridiculous here.
If I que up for dota 2 and get a 7500 MMR team I’m not going to insult my own intelligence and pretend I don’t already know what’s about to happen.
Premades don’t even have to be good, the composition of a team and the lvl 25 imbalances make SO MUCH of a difference right now that any chance of winning is extremely slim, and losing over and over when you give a genuine effort is demotivating.
Not you in particular, but one of the go-to’s is to accuse people of being bad and that somehow means they deserve to lose over and over again.
The premade I was in won every single game until we faced a stronger composition, it wasn’t ONLY because of that, IMO. But there was no CCing 3 priests and their melee cleave (paladins) zugged us down.
There was one PUG who beat us in the initial mid battle, and then by virtue of healing being incredibly overtuned and based on brute forcing it we recovered momentum and won. I would say those players individually had more skill than my team, and lost anyways.
My point is you calling them “just a trade chat pug” is like you saying “it’s only a million dollars”, instead of trying to imply there is no tactical advantage to a premade, even a trade chat premade is a weird expenditure of energy when you could skip all the steps in the middle and just look at the winrate of premades.
That comes off as a large bias in my eyes.
You believe a substantial number of the people who take the time to make a group are also the least mature or least sportsmanly? Maybe, but what are you trying to prove besides attacking their character here?
Okay you believe a premade isn’t a huge advantage, about 99% of the population disagrees with you, some defend the merits of it, some attack the design of not separating them, very few people say they don’t increase your chances of winning significantly.
My VERY FIRST wsg was at lvl 22 vs 7 lvl 25 hunters on Dec 9th, you literally couldn’t leave your base or a hunter would use 3% of their mana and send a pet to kill you.
3 healers is like 25,000 extra hp, composition is KING if the other factors are even remotely close.
And other people do not think it is OK for a game that offers a certain type of experience not to deliver on that experience. The odd thing is, against premades, doing nothing is actually more productive sometimes because it lets you get into a game where your choices can matter again, where you get back to a feeling/reality of agency.
You don’t seem like you have bad intentions but you seem to willfully ignore some very common sense contexts here.
Strawman, WSG is a 10 player vs 10 player game. Surely you don’t mind if the people who want to vote with their feet leave you to enjoy your premade while they go have fun their own way with their own toys?
You get to play against 10 other friends who all want to play together.