Its incentives it more cause winning in 5mins is better than losing in 30mins
Faster wins = faster honor = faster pvp off pieces
1 Like
If there is to be a mass exodus for alliance rerolling horde, there is only going to be 1 hour queues against premade alliance for horde, and alliance easy stomping against mindless horde pugs with instant queues.
Bigger concern is the overall population imbalance. Premades stomping pug solo queuers never goes away.
2 Likes
Yeah, the people remaining alliance will get the biggest benefit of it all, instant queues with a full premade against people who have to wait hours trying to solo que and lose instantly
2 Likes
F allys. I want a blood elf master race.
1 Like
While I agree with you a 1 hour queue for Horde in TBC is a bit optimistic.
8 Likes
Those honor piecies dont compare to conquest, or for a classic comparison, warlord gear.
There isn’t going to be a 6 month span of constant premade of people trying to get gear ahead of the curve. Quit trying to hatebait. You dont actually care.
3 Likes
I thought you needed Honor Points for the non-set items? Was it really Conqueror Points for everything?
I’m actually unsure on that. I think the wrist/cloak/bracers might only be honor, but i remember conquest rings and necks.
My point more was that it isnt a full set of gear that is litterally a full tier ahead in power level like the ranking gear of classic is. People went hard for rank 12+ for the most Op gear on the most Op class in PvE.
Premades will be a thing sure, not nearly to the level classic ranking requires though. It doesnt last months on end to get some bracers.
1 Like
If they use the end patches like classic theres really no reason to play ally. Id bet blizzard does something like that just because they dont want to put any effort into any product.
3 Likes
Agreed. Folks will still queue for them to be sure, but it won’t be the constant churn like now since Arenas gate all the good stuff.
Premading will also not be about gear either, you will want to premade for reputation, especially if they take the fresh route and you cant character copy, so you want that rep back
and not to mention 4 arena seasons, so you have a new set of premades every 20 weeks
1 Like
Sure there is some incentive for premades, but no where near as much as in TBC. First honor gear is vastly inferior to the current arena gear. In addition, the amount of arena points you earn each week is based on your rating (so many players will be wanting to grind rating with there time, not honor). Secondly, unlike the vanilla PvP system that pushes for a constant grind… in TBC if you are premading BGs you will pretty much complete all your honor gear in like 1 weekend, after which you will have no reason to do BGs anyway.
You also have to remember that there is NO honor gear available in season 1 (outside the off pieces for the S1 set and weapons). So BGs will be largely for fun until season 2, by which time the sweaties would probably have finished there S1 set and have no point in the first place to premade BGs…
2 Likes
Can’t wait for all the Horde tears in TBC when they have 1-hour bg queues only to get endlessly stomped by Alliance premades. And no, arenas won’t be as popular as people think.
2 Likes
not all arena gear is bought with conquest, you need honor for your off pieces
also previous arena gear gets bought with honor, so when season 2 starts you can buy season 1 gear with honor. You cant immediately buy your season 2 gear, conquest takes a long time to build up, so you grind honor if you didnt do season 1, and alot of people will play like that.
This dude is either trolling or just cant handle a loss. Either way, reeks of the whiney type.
No buddy, the people that premade in classic are not the kind of people that need catchup gear from the previous season. You are just one of those people who doesn’t enjoy classic solo BGs so you’ve brought your complaining here.
What you are describing is casual catchup from the previous season. Not for the hardcore premading, and like the man above you said. Its not a constant wheel of honor you have to keep up on like classic. You can solo it in a week or 2 casually, or premade it in a weekend. Then its back to not premading until the next season.
You clearly dont understand the current way the honor system works compared to that of TBC. Just shut up man.
In what way is this whining, I’m just outlining how the facts on how premades don’t just up and disappear because its not the same honor structure as classic.
The wow playerbase is much older than back then so players typically have less time than usual to just sit in long BGs all the time. People will opt for the premade option because it makes for faster games. Catchup gear is still useful, especially for people who want to gear out alts without raiding.
I played TBC back then and premades were pretty consistent, and I used the gearing opportunity to gear up my druid, mage, and warlock alts.
The game is heavily min/max and playing premade is part of that factor. I ranked by premading and I only solo’d WSG on my druid (much easier to carry and opposing teams are less inclined to go sweaty). Winning 12 AB games an hour is alot more fun than sitting at LM flag protecting for 30 minutes.
In this thread, Alliance who can’t understand that it won’t matter if they premade a ton.
All that changes is horde pvpers start counter premading, because they can’t afford a loss when it takes them so long to get in. Now at this point, a few of you alliance might be thinking that means a fair fight between premades, but yeah, no. You see, everyone actually good at pvp will roll horde for better arena partners exactly like they do on retail. Yall are gonna get rolled, which over time will only further widen the gap between the factions and hurt queu times. Exactly like it did on retail over the years.
It’s a system that needs a fundamental change for wow in general, because there’s simply no incentive to NOT faction stack.
The difference is without the honor system those premades very quickly get what they want and stop queuing for at least the rest of the season. And because once again no honor system hph is no longer a hard cap on what you can get, slower hph just means you put in a few more hours for your piece.
This is pretty much what I was implying. If you are premading your VERY quickly obtain all the honor based gear and then there is no real incentive to premade? Sure you might see some from people trying to gear there alts. But people have only so many characters and once they are geared they are just done until the next season.