This is one of the strangest things I’ve read on the forums but to each their own. You don’t have to keep responding to me, but you should probably still stay active in this thread. It would just be depressing for Akats narrative if there was no one here to like his posts.
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Then you should be able to point me to that information instead of just saying they said that without any evidence?
Don’t need to, just have to queue as a group 
Then maybe the pugs should start organizing instead of expecting others to carry them.
They can join communities they meet, doesn’t hurt to ask if you can join if you see one. How else do you think these communities grow? The biggest EU community I’m in has 3 alliance communities with 999 members, even more on the horde side.
PvP is also cooperative. The difference is that if the enemy team is more cooperative, big chance you lose.
Good luck joining a bg with more than 4 groups (20 people), it’s rare. Getting even 4 groups in the same BG can be tricky. With 5 group you better have 2 leaders so you don’t sit in queue for 2 hours with 1 or 2 groups not getting entry.
Maybe you should read what I write and actually try to understand it. I’m talking about queue times and pre-mades being able to balance the queue.
If you can’t premade because of queue times, you go as the opposite faction, that’s basic pre-made logic as you want to play WoW instead of queue simulator… If you don’t queue as the faction with the shortest queues as pre-made, you’re just being dumb and wasting your own time.
Not sure what your “crazy face” is aimed at, you don’t seem to understand the logic here yourself.
Again learn to read, I don’t have a problem with this.
There’s a difference in making it explicitly easier for large groups of people to queue up, and tolerating them organizing it with more effort (and much higher fail rate).
Idk what the merc situation is in US. In EU horde has mercs up everywhere, and the boralus npc for alliance is up on some shard in rare occasions.
If you don’t enjoy organized PvP, then don’t play PvP where the majority of the challenge is organizing 40 people to work together.
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I take it you didn’t read the blue post regarding it?
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Stunning. Absolutely stunning.
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The one in the classic forums people always link with no mention of pre-mades?
I’ve never needed 40 players organized I just got stuff done without them rather than trying to convince them
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Players will always find excuses why their premade raids are ok in random bgs, even though it’s patently obvious the system does not allow you to queue up as a raid.
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Everyone has known blizzards stance on premaders for a long time which is a firm no and there are counter measures in place by blizzard cause of that stance
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This is (A) outdated (2012 - 11 years ago), and (B) this is a 3rd party with no working source. Anyone could’ve written this, and if this would be their stance, they’ve done nothing to show nor enforce this.
You can report this behavior to customer support, with evidence to streams and they will not take any action. You want to know their stance? Report the players and see how nothing is done as no rules are broken.
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Oh but you don’t understand! That was because people used an add-on to form groups to wreck people. They use a 3rd party app to countdown and queue all at the same time! It’s soooooo different. Even though blizzard said specifically “Regardless, it’s not meant for organized groups to “pug stomp” and get quick Honor.” It doesn’t apply to them because it’s soooooo different.
/S
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Because Blizzard needs to make yearly posts that premade raids vs. pugs is unfair and bad for PvP?
Blizzard changed to a new forum system. Previous posts weren’t transferred over to the new system.
Even under the old system, when shown these Blue posts, premade raiders still didn’t believe them.
As I stated earlier, players will always find excuses for their premade raids in random bgs.
Are you really trying to claim those Blue posts were never written and this article is fake?
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I too like risky games.
Like a kid pointing at a dirty cardboard box on the side of road, begging to be taken seriously. Or an HR wench playing tool.
Players will always find excuses to tell others they can’t have fun with friends because they lose.
I’ve tried, they don’t care about pre-mades 
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We believe them. We just don’t care. There’s nothing exploitative about 5 mans queueing together.
Wether they take action on premades or not it doesn’t bother me. I’ve got everything I can get out of randoms I’m wayyy past the 500 mark
Been day drinking today, Dotlom?
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Alcohol is the devil. Presume such sin upon me again, and will dispense divine wrath upon thine shadowed head.
or your fire horned head, whatever
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Devils lettuce?
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Pugs can’t choose their team composition. So no, it’s not about organization.
PvP is mostly competitive. Sure, you have a team, but you’re fighting against another. The difference isn’t just if the enemy team is more cooperative, it’s also team composition and ilvl.
Which, as I said, if one is a pug who can’t control who’s in their group, with ilvl and class/spec factored into that, it doesn’t matter too much against a premade who can.
RUIN did it all the time. Wasn’t very rare especially when they specific queued.
Because Horde mercing as Alliance, at the end of the day, isn’t a Horde premade. They’re fighting on the Alliance side against other Horde. The matter of the fact is, one faction cannot premade for THEIR own faction.
I read it. We could go back and forth on this really, I think premades are bad for the game, you think otherwise.
Only thing I want for Blizzard to do is enable cross faction play already in random BGs. It would solve more than just premading, and would be healthy for the game. That’s all Im advocating for. I don’t care about people getting suspended or banned for whatever people think is an exploit. I don’t think premading is exploiting, but I don’t think its fair either for reasons I’ve already iterated.
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