Cleaving w/ Siegebreaker after Whirlwind, or Cleaving w/ Execute/Rampage are fun to pull off. Shame we can’t always be doing it reliably.
We don’t use Siegebreaker cause of Signet, though.
Good to know lol. That’s something to work on fixing.
Granted, I was one of the Warriors who picked Night Fae for the extra AoE.
We have a survival hunter in our guild, he has the highest IO score of the survival hunters on our server grouping. This is not saying much, as he has not done very much above 10’s.
Survival needs help.
Survival hunters are melee hunters right? The class does not lend itself well to a melee-centric build. Which is why I never play survival hunters anymore.
Semper Fi! 
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Don’t feel bad. I was originally a Kyrian Arms warrior and that was a mega trap.
This Goblin is a running joke and has been for a while. He says we all live in a imaginary fantasy world but it is him and his band of misfits who have screamed for a long time that Survival was never melee and that it made more sense for BM to be melee blah, blah, blah.
Many people have posted time and again that the original vanilla survival spec tree was partially melee centric and it was the only spec that had anything for melee.
Low and behold this same person post this to cover his tracks as some expert Hunter, SMH.
And post a handbook where it clearly states some melee weapons are preferable to the Hunter class contradicting his whole thought process on Hunters being exclusively range.
If you want to know what a hunter is look no further then Rexxar which is what this class was modeled after.
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I used to have two surv hunters pre-MoP. Zero since.
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Did Survival lack a ranged weapon at any time before Legion: yes or no?
Partially melee centric. Your own words. So, *not entirely melee and certainly not lacking a ranged weapon.
You did not deliberately run into melee as Survival. End of story. The melee buffs were for situational usage. Because Hunters were designed as a ranged class.
All Hunters had melee. The Survival talent tree was the one that had the melee-specific buffs but that’s because the melee attacks were classified as Survival. Marksmanship was the only one of the three specs that had buffs to ranged damage; does that mean BM wasn’t ranged either?
It actually clearly states that the Hunter is a combat class like the rogue and warrior, but “whereas those classes rely on melee attacks, the hunter relies on ranged power”. The only mention of melee is a) in the list of weapons the hunter can use, and b) Wing Clip in the list of sample abilities.
No one is saying that Hunters didn’t have melee. Obviously it did. They envisioned the class as one with the in-built weakness of not being able to use ranged weapons up close, and as such relying on melee damage. But the fact of the matter is their intent was to build the theme and identity of the class around ranged weapons. A Hunter spec that lacks ranged weapons and prefers to fight in melee range wasn’t something that fit within that vision. You can argue that it was warranted for them to abandon that vision, if you want (I disagree), but you would be wrong if you argued that melee Survival as Legion and BFA did it was precedented in WoW’s original class design.
I mean, clearly not since Rexxar is primarily a melee fighter and the manual says, and I quote, “[the Hunter] is primarily a ranged attacker”.
WoW classes are not based on single lore characters. They are loosely based on archetypes represented in lore throughout nameless Warcraft characters and units as well as some of the toolkits of the major characters. Pets in the Hunter class are from Rexxar, but they clearly did not intend the whole class to be derivative of that one character. If they did, it wouldn’t be a ranged class.
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First line in the manual for hunters - The hunter is a unique class in world of Warcraft because it is primary a ranged attacker…
goes on to say “The Hunter is a combat class like the rogue and warrior but where-as those classes rely on melee attacks. the hunter relies on ranged power”.
And if we’re basing classes off wow heroes you must be screaming for shamans to wear plat like Thrall…
/facepalm
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from what i understand survival hunter is decent for non tyrannical weeks because like havoc dh we pump aoe, single target= mediocre
Look, i want to make a Mag’ar Survival Hunter and go with Necrolord, I’ll be the bottom of the bottom, since it’s an alt that’s ok, but it sucks
Primary doesn’t mean its exclusive, duh.
/facepalm
Step off and get bent.
I’ve been playing this game for fun for a long time, I’ve raided, I’ve PVPed and done all that min/max BS. I’m here to enjoy the story and enjoy my time, I could careless that you think I’m a baddie LOL.
Where the heck do these scrubs come from with this nonsense, SMH. This is his argument, what an absolute joke. BAHAHAHAHAHA
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Primary usually means MAIN though.
/double facepalm.
and the fact it mentioned it twice does not send a hint it should be using mostly range…
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But its not exclusive LOL
/Triple facepalm
The argument here has nothing to do with, “could Hunter spec use some love”. The argument these guys are making is that they want Survival Melee gone period. They want that old crap of minor differences which is what the Hunter class turned into.
As far as I’m concerned they can kick rocks and I’ll be here to voice my opinion on these stupid posts.
The greatest spec changes Blizzard has ever done in my opinion was the separation of Hunter specs in Legion (Making them more unique against each other). I mean for those of us who have been playing this class since Vanilla we finally see a distinct difference in specs and it makes the class more interesting and fun to play.
I love Hunters how they are but don’t get it confused with could they use some refinement and some polishing. Every spec in WOW could use some upgrades and some tender love and care in making things better and more fun for the player. I’m all for that.
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so we agree range should be the primacy attack and ranged should always be it’s main attack source, see glad we cleared that all up.
funny facepalming you proving our point? or just facepalming yourself?
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But the majority of the damage abilities are ranged…
so there is no melee hunter anymore, and he’s just wrong on that aspect?
*have not seen sims what is the SV main source of it’s DPS on them?
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Surv uses a melee weapon and the basic attack is melee.
SS, WB, KC and Eagle can be ranged.
well the argument started if the SV Hunter was ever a Melee spec in classic and the what the original intent was, you chimed in most of it’s attacks is ranged but does that make it a ranged spec now and it should not be considered melee or since it’s basic attack is melee should it be considered melee and then going against the original design where it’s main attack was ranged (it always had other DPS outside of that at one time all had melee weapons and all used traps and pets for more DPS) but with your comment are saying most since most the abilities are ranged you’re saying it’s a range spec and not really a melee one, or since it’s basic attack is melee it’s a melee spec?
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