Pre-1.10 Alterac Valley

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one is wanting something that happened during vanilla and one is not?
they actually asked us to talk about what version of stuff we wanted in an interview, pointing out that vanilla changed a lot over time.

Then there’ll be the design questions, ones that the community will have strong opinions on: should UBRS be 10-person, or 5-person? Things like that.

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i never said that the version the op is asking for never happened during vanilla. guild banks were also vanilla but why is one change acceptable and the other isnt? my point seems to be ignored and this is the 3rd time i have made it.

we accept one change outside of 1.12 and then what? it will be confirmation for people who can get anything else outside of 1.12. creating a slippery slope on purpose, even if covertly, is still a slippery slope and im sure you are aware of that (same as the op). most people in this thread who want this version of AV, have made clear that its for the convenience- easier and faster kills, unopposed carries/wins etc. how is it ANY different?

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guild banks were in late tbc. not vanilla. might have even been wotlk i dont remember.

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they have not said once that they are using 1.12 as the end all be all of the game. they have said they are using it for the BASE of the game. as the starting point, because that is what they have to work with.
They have never once said that they won’t be using stuff from before 1.12.
but they have said they want us to discuss which version of things they want to use.
and no, Guild Banks were not introduced during Vanilla. they were added in patch 2.3

Again. Blizzard themselves wanted us to discuss anything that occurred during vanilla, giving specific examples as 5-10 man dungeons, among others.

and yet from what i have seen on most of the various threads, more people favor the OLD AV. so who do you go with, the people who want new AV, so they can farm rep and get out? or the people who want old AV, who plan to actually stay and do the BG beyond just getting reputation?

seems easy to me. one group appears more numerous and plans to stick around.
the other group is lesser in number and plans to leave the bg period after they get what they want.

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When were guild banks in vanilla?

They were not added until patch 2.3 almost 10 months after TBC was released.

“No changes” was never about 1.12 and that is it. The ones who claim that “no changes” has always been “1.12 and that is it” are trolls who are intentionally misrepresenting the “no change” position in an attempt to further their own goals.

“No changes” has always been about Classic having only elements that were present in vanilla, even if those elements were not all present at the same time. A “frankenpatch” consisting only of elements from vanilla has always been acceptable to the “no change” faction.

1.5 AV was present in vanilla and fall within the parameters of the “no change” position. Guild banks were NEVER part of vanilla and therefore are outside of the parameters of that “no change” position.

It’s not about a change outside of 1.12. It’s about not bringing something that was never part of vanilla into Classic.

Yes, we know that we will get loot trading, and probably sharding, but I don;t recall anyone asking for either of those non vanilla changes. The “no change” faction is all but universally opposed to those non vanilla changes.

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none of this is even remotely true and my point still stands with guild banks, even if i was off on their inclusion. they said none of this. no where.

well, its pretty clear that you are determined to get changes into classic, one way or the other. though using fake information to do it, is a sign of bad character.

either way, i will be here when you get salty, when the times comes.

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how is it not true?
i linked an interview where they legit asked for player feedback on what version of stuff from classic they want included.
show me where they have said they plan to use 1.12 as the end all be all. go ahead. i’ll wait. because you can’t. all they have said is they plan to use 1.12 as the base game and that 1.12 balance would be used.
so show me where i am wrong that they asked us to discuss using various stuff from earlier in classic and i’ll stop.
till then i will continue to ask for old av.

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not sure what this has to do with me or my personal opinion on the matter, and why does it not apply to 1.12 exactly?

if blizzard confirmed that there is even the slightest chance of running anything before 1.12, then i would agree. but they havent. nor have they confirmed anything post 1.12. there is literally no argument to be had here.

it just boils down to nothing was confirmed but i am going to pretend there is, which i believe will put pressure on blizzard and result in the outcome i desire. i am a realistic person- anything else to me is fallacy and misinformation. facts or nothing. and that will never change.

what me wanting facts has to do with someone else’s agenda, is beyond me.
hope is nothing without a foundation to go on. dreaming that you can be an astronaut, while not even having a job- is a cause for constant let down. put your feet on the ground and then walk.

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So you don’t see how wanting something that happened in Vanilla is not equitable to wanting something from after Vanilla?

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except blizzard has not once said they plan on 1.12 being the end all be all.
they have stated that they are open to discussing anything that happened during the vanilla timeline.
thus why we are having stuff like an actual AQ launch event and staggered content release.
what they have for sure is this

classic is using 1.12 as the backbone of the game. it has not once been listed as the end all be all.

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no and thats not really how that works. there is a difference between wanting something from vanilla, that was in vanilla and wanting something that was confirmed NOT to be accessible.

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In fact they’ve SPECIFICALLY said that there are things they’re not sure in versions and have requested player feedback.

I mean really - if they’re using the honor system from pre-1.12 then pre 1.12 BGs are entirely within the question.

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and i am not asking for something that wasn’t in vanilla.
i am asking for something that was accessible during vanilla.

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Did you or did you not say

To me, that statement sure sounds like you see any change outside of 1.12 as equal even if one of those “changes” was actually part of vanilla and the other one NEVER was.

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well, according to the Q&A at blizzcon, as well as the panel- reddit is wrong.

sorry, i would rather take it from the horses mouth, if you dont mind.

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the QnA at blizzcon was about POST VANILLA CHANGES. people were asking about post vanilla balance, transmog, etc. and they said no.

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you can take it however you wish but as i said in my other post, my point stands even if i was off on their inclusion. so you can take it in a malice way or you can take me admitting i was wrong. makes no difference to me.

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dont forget this part-

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since you want to bring those up. ill point you to these two

notice under nuance they talk about debuff limits. something that actually changed during vanilla.

also this one.
classic was about a journey. staggered release.
hmmm.
nothing there tells me they are against using pre 1.10 av.
what do i see them saying no to?

oh look at that. post vanilla stuff gets shot down right away.
but stuff during vanilla? that is nuanced.

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the debuff limit is staying 8, as it was…during 1.12. i mean, there seems to be a pattern, am i right?

but as i said earlier and i wont repeat it again- you are determined and all i can say is, good luck.

you will still get the 1.12 AV. :wave: