“Crawling in my skin! These wounds they will not heal!..” LOL! Well that certainly would be an interesting twist of fate. Though, it is going to be a little awkward when Sylvanas realizes her new hubby had a daughter with another mother.
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Weird that he’s literally the leader of a Horde race and has the Horde symbol tattooed on his arm then.
I doubt it. If Baine did not exist, they would have invented someone else like him. They didn’t kill Cairne just for Baine. They killed him because of their stupid plot they wanted to do with Garrosh.
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I don’t understand why it’s so bad that Baine is there. Dude has almost never been given reason to dislike the Alliance and has almost been murdered by two Warchiefs
It’s peacetime, there’s peace talks, of course Baine is there
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I completely agree. I feel like we should hand him over to the Sons of Anarchy to get that tattoo removed.
Maybe. Maybe not.
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Gee, it’s sure a good thing that Baine isn’t Anduin’s lackey then, isn’t it?
Yeah, it’s not like he sent him a love letter with a piece of his body wrapped in it, or anything.
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See, this is why I call out you Hordeposters so much. It had been established before this that he and Anduin were friends. But no, a little heartfelt correspondence isn’t allowed. There must only be war, and anger, and violence. No friends allowed.
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Ah straw man. If friendship and peace were the reasons for the Baine hate it’d be a lot simpler.
When you make these posts, do you think about how few accuse Thrall of being an Alliance boot licker? What about how a thousand year old elf is gushing over how a human uses complex magic more effectively than said elf? Weird, but not boot licking. How about a blood elf paladin repaying a debt to Draenei that helped them? Not accused of boot licking either. A goblin helping some gnomes? Not a peep. A Tauren paladin, with the help of Anduin, convincing panda ninjas that the factions should be given a chance? Not boot licking…
I can continue for a while. The question is when has Baine specifically shown convictions to the Horde. What has he done to deserve the titles that he’s been given? As far as I’m concerned, Mayla and sun walker Dezco are the current Tauren leaders.
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Killing Orno Grimtotem. Helping save Garrosh from certain death (Before he turned on the Horde). He also battled against Garros’s forces during the Siege of Orgrimmar and worked to evacuate as many Horde civilians from Orgrimmar as possible.
He’s done more for the Horde than you and other hivemind posters here think he has. Probably more than Sylvanas in fact. Yet she gets all the love and he gets all the hate because he actually sues for peace.
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I’m sorry…Orno Grimtotem? Well alright fair I guess.
Quillboar incident. He did save Garrosh, by guiding Hamuul there. Yup saved Garrosh. Will admit I didn’t know all the details.
During SoO everyone was fighting Garrosh’s forces. Alliance, Horde including Sylvanas, etc. I can no longer call that a stand out moment given recent events.
Evacuation of civilians. Again fair. 2 solid points. Not quite enough for me to change my opinion yet. But I’m not against changing it if I get to that point. Finally, just because a group have the same view of a situation, doesn’t mean they are a hive mind. Especially when you disagree with that view…
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I think this is a pretty cool and unprecedented development that I can’t remember seeing before in the 13 years I’ve been playing WoW. After so long I didn’t think the writers could surprise me but I guess the mad lads are definitely going all out for the faction unification stuff. I actually transferred my main to the PTR so I could see it for myself.
It’s also surprisingly easy to accept since the Tauren are arguably the most decent people out of core Horde races and Baine has always come across as a genuinely good person by modern real life standards. And who else could it have been but Baine, to be honest? He’s the perfect candidate to be an ambassador to Stormwind. He’s got close ties to the king, no standing disputes with any Alliance race that I remember and is liked and respected by basically everyone.
A more interesting question is who the Alliance representative in Orgrimmar would be. Out of the core Alliance leaders which one would be the most practical choice? Tyrande and Genn are out for obvious reasons as is Anduin due to his unique status as High King. Mekkatorque helped kill Rastakhan… Magni is too busy with other stuff. Jaina is a strong possibility but there’s so much history there and she’s been known to be… volatile.
That leaves Velen or one of the Dwarves I guess.
Maybe it’s just a failure on my part, but I don’t think I’ve ever even considered sending my friends pieces of myself.
I can’t imagine that it had anything to do with him attacking Horde soldiers (Treng certainly has Opinions about when Sylvanas did it) or choosing to let the Horde walk a dark path until a Proudmoore got hurt instead of doing something after Teldrassil (or after Saurfang bailed at Lordaeron, or while Nathanos was doing things during the war campaign) and I’m sure it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with suggesting a surrender in front of a grieving daughter and her father’s corpse.
People that don’t like the faction war don’t care that he wanted peace, they care how he went about achieving said peace or, in this case, how he ignored all of the times he could have tried to stop things and chose to do nothing until a member of the Alliance was aided in the process.
If he had done more than “keep an eye on Nathanos” after Teldrassil then he’d have come out of BfA as a pretty solid Horde character instead of looking like he’d prefer to be in the Alliance.
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I have good reason to call it a hivemind- because that’s literally what it is. Some Garrosh or Sylvanas fanatics disapproved of what he was doing back in Cata/MoP and started this whole meme of Baine being an Alliance sympathizer just because he preferred the path to peace instead of violence. Since then, his merits have been completely ignored in the face of his interactions with the Alliance and Anduin- most of which just so happen to be positive.
It’s funny- Baine is getting hate for the exact same reason that Jaina got hate before her character arc in ToW. Except the hate for Jaina was justified because she was effectively protecting the Horde from suffering consequences for what they had done in the Undercity.
There is no equivalent to that for Baine. You know why? Because since pre-Cata, it’s been the Horde who have initiated hostilities.
Baine isn’t a perfect character, and has his flaws. But he’s nowhere near the complete loser the SF would have you believe. And it wouldn’t be the first time the hivemind has been wrong, either.
Just look at Sylvanas. 
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nothing will change if you switch anduin and baine
only alliance players defend baine. I wonder why
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Good question. Baine’s a joke and a creep who sends pieces of himself in the mail to children. Not any better than Anduin.
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Actually, there is a segment of posters who think Thrall is an alliance sympathizer and say stuff like “he was raised by humans, he doesn’t actually represent the horde!”
The question is when has he actually betrayed the Horde? Arguing for peace and having friendly correspondence is not betrayal. He still fought for the Horde.
Again, people want their cake and to eat it too. The same people who call him an Alliance sympathizer then use the fact he did not turn on Sylvanas after Teldrassil against him. Well, why is that a bad thing to you? If he was such an Alliance sympathizer, that would have been the key breaking point. But no, he still went and defended Lordaeron from the Alliance. “He didn’t turn on her til it involved rescuing a Proudmoore!!” Baine actually frames this as a Horde issue, to Sylvanas own face in fact. He did not do it necessarily for the Alliance, but because he states it was a violation of the Forsakens own laws. It just happened to also benefit the Alliance.
Baine has never once actually betrayed the Horde. Like I’m sorry, making decisions you disagree with or which might even have been wrong does not automatically equal treason.
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The only proven traitor to the Horde is Sylvanas.
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Baine is seeking peace with the Alliance so it makes sense that he’s in the Stormwind keep as an ambassador role. We had something like this during the battle of Ahn’qiraj, where the Alliance and Horde both had ambassadors to each other’s cities.
I think the only reason that this is currently only one way is that the Alliance is tolerant of others, so the Alliance would accept Baine and other ambassadors, while if there was an Alliance character in Orgrimmar there’s no guarantee they wouldn’t be killed on the spot.
I don’t agree with them about Thrall. That is classic trolling. Also last I checked, purposely going behind people’s back to inform the direct opposition of a plan is a betrayal.
Sure it wasn’t the way I’d go about it, sure it backfired on him. It was a betrayal none the less. You can’t not call that a betrayal. That is the definition. That is “wanting your cake and eating too.” Also killing your own soldiers to do it? Especially with hindsight of Saurfang accomplishing peace with only killing those that came after himself?
As has been stated, it’s not wrong to want peace. The way Baine pursues it is the problem.
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