I just told you about a king who is dismissive of his own people.
How is that not a moral failing?
Might be a failing of the king, but not of the Alliance as a group.
Also, I’m assuming you mean Anduin, and the evidence of his dismissiveness is that he doesn’t wipe out the Horde, so once again, that’s kind of Horde-related.
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The evidence of it he is more concerned for his enemies well being rather than his own.
As for the current Alliance moral failings I haven’t seen much that can subscribed to all of the people.
If andiun started killing dwarves for no good reason and everyone else followed him regardless then I would have something to work with.
Somethings like taurajo or dalaran purge were done by single characters as you mentioned they don’t count and for their defense they had ample justification OR tried to lessen their brutality.
Yep, Horde-related, as I thought. So I don’t know why you bring it up when I asked for something that is not Horde-related.
So you do think the Alliance is perfect except for their failure to wipe out the Horde. You might as well just own that, if it’s your sincere belief.
What even constitutes amoral to you?
We got Troggs in Gnomergan that Gnomes tried to gas.
We have certain NPCs send us off to wipe out one sort of creature or another.
Besides the glaring faction conflict stuff Alliance races seem to be behaving pretty well all things considered.
The only thing I can perhaps point out are the dwarves in vanilla where their excavations led them to direct conflict with the Horde but you asked for no faction conflict stuff so I can’t mention them.
If you think I missed something then let me know.
And for the 4th time I dont view alliance as perfect.
Thats the word you keep trying to put in my mouth.
Hey fair is fair. If we have to take your peacenik milksop pacifist then you have to take ours.
Why are you asking me? You’re the one who said you didn’t think the Alliance was perfect.
I’m getting mixed messages here. Are the Troggs and other NPCs examples of the Alliance being imperfect, or do they not matter because the Alliance races are “behaving pretty well”?
Because you are the one asking the question?
The question I am asking is “In what ways do you think the Alliance is imperfect, not counting their relations with the Horde?” My definition of amoral is not needed for you to answer that question.
Then I already answered that question.
You are just unsatisfied I didn’t answer it how you wanted.
What was your answer? Because I missed it.
just scroll up.
If you’re referring to post 244, I already asked you to clarify whether you truly think that’s bad or whether you don’t believe it’s important. Because you start by saying a couple of things that might be bad, but then you say the Alliance races are “behaving pretty well,” and then you turn around and say the dwarves in vanilla are the only thing you can think of–which suggests that the things you listed earlier in the post don’t really count, in your own opinion.
You yourself told me I can’t use faction conflicts and now you are telling you are going to use them as my answer?
Make up your damn mind.
You make up yours. Are the Troggs an example of Alliance imperfection, or not? Yes or no, it’s pretty simple.
imperfection as in what?
You keep using broad terms with no specific intent or goal.
Imperfection as in “I never said the Alliance were perfect.”
Yes or no?
You don’t even know what you are asking.
What do you mean by imperfection?
What is the context of this imperfection?
Is it morality? Execution of a plan for a goal. Is the goal imperfect or its method or its very conflict to begin with?
Be specific.
This is about you backing up your statement that you don’t believe the Alliance are perfect.
Do you believe that the treatment of the Troggs is an example of the Alliance not being perfect?
Why is it so hard for you to answer that question?
Troggs invaded.
Conflict was justified.
Alliance used an imperfect method to root them out.
They failed. It implies imperfection.
They tried to retake the place.
Still failed and the troggs as well as their own plagued people persist.
Again imperfection.
They lost a lot of innocents to their own failures, though unintentional. So that implies imperfection as well.
I answered you. Now how are you going to move the goal post this time?