Poly is the single most overpowered ability in the game

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No they really can’t lmfao

Second stuns will be DR’d

Even if you don’t play cryo freeze you quite literally have blink up for every full stun

You get blazing barrier from blinks and your default blazing barriers plus times you get a shifting off

You can CS every single eye beam as well which will cut his damage, can db sheep him and reset on long metas, he’ll trinket you can just send alter or do whatever you need to live man

No one is breaking manual blazing barrier that frequently lmfao, and you’d still get healed up every time they are broken from diverted

You are quite literally just not good at mage man

Good thing combust is a shorter CD than netherwalk :slight_smile:

Still have time to DB sheep, get through his trinket, then nova, get reverse here, then blazing barrier+alter to live till db/sheep dr resets, gives you plenty of time

Can also trade soulshapes at this point

Then you can get a db sheep again and reset to full, then you’re fine and his massive burst was on a far longer CD. Once big meta is over every eye beam meta will get CS’d and you’ll slowly just rot him down until you win.

It’s because if you’re playing 3v3 you’re almost always going to avoid Cryo but you can surely just change your tree around however necessary

Cryo obviously super broken, definitely times you can get away with never even getting forced to block to begin with though when you’re blazing in a 1v1

Can just manually reset too much unless it’s feral druid then you should just take it just incase

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BB is 26-27% of your health absorb. With current 70k HP it is 18-20k absorb. Now remind me, what is the average DPS of DH and do the math?

Second stun will be DRed, but it is still 2 seconds. What stops him from dropping me below 50% health, stunning me even for 2 seconds with second stun and just Eye Beaming me? If I greed a trinket, I can just die before Alter pops back. If I want to either interrupt Eye Beam or manually Alter, I need to trinket.

He has 2 stuns, don’t forget. I blink out of only first, Blink is not 2 charges as Shimmer is. Before I reset my Combustion (after latest nerfs), both his stuns will come off CD (30s and 1m). He stuns me, I blink, he charges and stuns me again and … ???. Blink is on CD, trinket is on CD, Ice Block is on CD.

More likely you are not too good at math. Please count again - how much time a DH with his average DPS would need to break BB? Don’t forget that Versatility was nerfed in PVP, so shield’s absorb value was reduced.

For my second Combustion he would have Darkness and Blur, I might just not survive till third.

Blazing Barrier + Alter is not enough to survive whole Meta.

Soulshape will be just Imprisoned, do you know that they have a conduit that also slows you after it, so your SS will move with 75% movement speed for whole remaining duration?

You also don’t argue that he can dispel BB with 50% chance. I pop manual BB, he breaks it in 2-4 seconds, I got healed by 13-14% which he will remove in 1-2 seconds. What is next?

And if I know these nuances and you don’t, looks like its not me who is a bad mage here (or at least not only me), at least for 1v1 situations, for XvX you might be very good.

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Their damage is high during meta, trade and kite during meta and you’re entirely fine

You’re not getting bursted that hard within a 2 second stun, he has time for literally one global LOL

You are not getting 100-0d in a single global vs DH man

Why do you think anyone is forgetting

Yeah I’d love for you to teach me some math! I could really use it :slight_smile:

You are god awful at playing mage, accept it.

It’s enough time to buy you until DB resets and you can just sheep him again and fully reset but ok

You vastly overestimate how much DPS a DH is doing

I’m not going to be dying in a 1v1 to a DH like that man LMFAO

You are not getting bursted down anywhere near as hard as you think you are by them. Just never let the guy get a fully channeled eye beam off and you’re fine. You don’t even have to blink a stun if he’s not eye beaming it.

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So that is the reason they can have 5k average dps in several minute fight, because their burst during Meta was so high?

He has time to hit you with half of Eye Beam with Immolation Aura up (don’t forget that Meta grants Haste bonus). I never wrote about 100-0, I wrote about <=50-0. Do you even read responses to you attentively enough? You try to say that DH sustained damage is bad, especially Necro DH?

Tell me more about your 1v1s vs DH. You don’t even know that they can counter Soulshape or kill you in stun through Alter if they land it with you on low enough HP.

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You’re also not getting 50-0d in 1 global

Their sustain in met is very high, not their burst. Can shut down meta well enough and every single eye beam one.

Why are you altering that low

Alter at high hp, crazy concept, don’t let yourself get to 10% hp when you can get DR stunned or something lmfao, just activate your alter back earlier

If you desperately need to because somehow everything in the world went wrong you can trade a trinket to alter but you’re not getting bursted down that quickly in a half stun

Literally just press your buttons properly, I don’t know what else to tell you

DH does a ton of sustain during meta, you can shut down every eye beam meta and trade well enough on long meta that you’ll surely have time to live and reset

Once you ever get a full reset it’s over for him

Why do you think I’m forgetting about meta eye beam LOL

You’re legitimately awful at playing mage if a DH is W keying you to death, there is not much else to say.

Just get better, legitimately this matchup is entirely a l2p issue on your end

Btw keep in mind you’re the one complaining they cant win 1v1s rofl

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Immolation Aura + Eye Beam is tons of damage. Maybe not 50% of your HP, but let’s say 20-35. So, what can stop him from stunning me at around 35% HP and performing this combo? Trinket or die or waste Ice Block because you would overlap it with Alter.

Yes, and that is the reason why so many people complain about Necro DH sustained damage with almost perma buff from Fodder the Flame. This is because Meta which is 2 min CD even with the PVP talent is so powerful…

It is not about me altering that low. You can Alter at 100% health and try to tank damage with it or kite (good luck with doing that against a DH). He gets you to 35-50% health, stuns and kills you before it auto-procs. To reset it manually without risk of just dying or wasting your Ice Block, you need to trinket.

If I activate Alter earlier, I wasted its defensive potential as it would reset only 2-5 seconds of damage. After that I can only try to DB + Sheep him (can just trinket out of and interrupt following Poly cast with a ranged interrupt) or Ice Block, everything else he will shred in Meta.

DH W-keying people is a very common complaint. And no, he has to play smart like keeping stun for my low level of health instead of spamming it or keeping Imprison for my Soulshape, not just press W.

I’m not complaining about 1v1, I showed you a situation where suggested by you soulbind set wouldn’t be effective enough.

Right?

I also mainly reply to your statements.

My god, if you think that Tempest Barrier is better for 1v1 than Cryo Freeze, especially after the 50% nerf… Well, that does show your own level in 1v1.

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Bro just don’t blink stun until he casts eyebeam and CS it

He quite literally can never get an eye beam off on you unless you’re trolling

No one takes that PvP talent and that cuts meta duration in half lol

Then you got too greedy and should have used it before that happened rofl, if you’re in that situation you’ve soaked up enough damage.

I didn’t say it’s better, I linked default talents you take

I said you can actually be fine without even taking it in duels you’re playing blazing soul because you can do enough self healing to avoid ever really needing to block reset

If you are letting yourself get half stunned that low when he somehow still had eye beam you completely fed

In that one sitation, where you somehow make a mistake or put yourself there, just trade your trinket if necessary to alter back but you had to have really been trolling to get yourself in that position to begin with.

They aren’t going to get you low outside if meta, you survive big meta and then blink stun any time they want to eye beam set up and you’re fine

Not like caut couldn’t also save you if truly necessary though either but ya man you’re not dying through caut in a 2 second stun from 35-50% hp, that just is not happening

Rotate properly on big meta and you’ll win. He’ll trinket first db sheep on it, reverse first nova too just shove everything you need to to buy yourself time until db sheep comes back up then you full reset all barriers, and the duel is won

Yeah

Guess what class is really amazing vs DHs

Hint: The one you are playing

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Visal what planet do you come from?

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Smart DH who knows that he plays against a Mage with Blink stun break won’t use one remaining Eye Beam before he can CC you (but he can use first, the one that will be reset by Meta itself), it is also not hard for him to guess that you would interrupt Eye Beam otherwise.

If I don’t blink stun, he has 4s of free reign against me. Let’s say he drops me to 50-66% HP and only then uses his first 4s stun. Do you suggest to sit all 4s of stun and risk dying before Alter resets, so that I can keep my trinket? If I use blink stun, see post above - he will charge into restun into Eye Beam with Immo Aura up (which he can put preemptively btw).

Not in half, from 30 to 20 seconds actually. With Tier set bonus it will be 26s duration on 2 min CD, which is much better that 36s duration on 4 min CD. And you even prove my point - do you really think Necro DHs do so much damage with Meta with 4 min CD that their average dps can stay at around 5k for all these 4 minutes, not with their sustained damage?

If I Alter early, let’s say at around 60% HP, it is just 2-5 seconds of damage absorbed. Meta lasts 30 (36) seconds. Ice Block lasts 10 seconds. You can try DB + Sheep him, he will just trinket out. If you try to resheep him, he will interrupt it with ranged interrupt. If you don’t try to resheep him, he charges to you and continues his burst. With what should I tank / kite remaining 15-20 seconds? Frost Nova will get reversed. Soulshape will get imprisoned and slowed after that and he has enough charges with short enough CD to chase some Flicker ports. First Flicker he will imprison and manually run into melee range, second Flicker he will charge, third Flicker he will charge. Blink I need to have to be able to use it to remove first stun. If I kite in Soulshape, I can’t use both Blink and BB without breaking it btw, so I just take raw damage. Suggestions?

Self healing from shields is 50% of shield value with 252 conduits, so if it absorbs 26% of my health damage, it should heal me for 13% if he won’t just luckily dispel it with 33-50% chance. Let’s say I also use manual BB shield and get absorb + 13% HP back, so totally 26%. In Meta this gives me about 2 additional seconds to live. This is not “enough self healing to avoid ever really needing to block reset”.

His sustained damage can be enough to drop me to this level without using Eye Beam, especially in Meta form. Do you also know that Meta resets Eye Beam? So if he used first and even if it got interrupted, when he can he will just reset it with Meta and get second?

They aren’t going to get you low outside if meta, you survive big meta and then blink stun any time they want to eye beam set up and you’re fine

Nope, they will. Especially Necro DH and especially if they have their tier 2 set bonus.

If Caut procked, I am at 35% HP. Let’s say Alter auto or manually-procs and heals me to 100%, Caut will put me back to 70%. I can Ice Block to snap HP at Alter position until Cauterize dot is removed. But when I am out of Ice Block, I am out of major defensives and he still has 10-20 seconds of Meta. After Blink (that can reset while I am in Ice Block) he will just charge at me as at the time while I sit in block he will recharge 1-2 charge abilities. Alter is already used. Ice Block is already used. Frost Nova is still on CD (only 15-20 seconds went from previous one). Soulshape will get Imprisoned. Both Blink and BB shield he will shred in several seconds. Suggestions?

I don’t say that Mage is bad 1v1 vs a DH, I am writing critique to your soulbind build that you positioned as

You literally have an answer for every one of these situations rofl.

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Yeah outside of meta where his damage is far weaker so win win for you buddy

They get 6 seconds of meta every time they have eye beam

That adds up lol

For him imprisoning your soul shape, you get one soupshape blink, imprisoned, then soul shape blink is off CD again

Also you said if you alter early and mention it at 60% lmfao

Altering at 60% is a late alter, found your issue

Alter at full hp buddy

DB sheep is back now since he trinketed the first time

So nah, his meta is over entirely at this point

Try again

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You ruin their entire fel eruption eye beam demonic and furious gaze window of damage, what’s this dissertation even regarding

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I’m arguing with a mage that calls a 60% alter an early alter time

He quite literally is just god awful at his class

It’s so straightforward too

Blink cs fel erupt eye beams

DB sheep big meta get trinket nova get reverse then shove alter soulshapes etc. but time until db sheep is back up and it’s over, you max range and you’re no longer worried about anything offensive

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Like what the

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We are discussing the Meta window now. DH approaches, pops Meta and stuns me with his 4s stun, this is a moment I speak about - when I need to choose whether I use Blink to remove it or keep Blink for 2nd stun to remove it and save my trinket.

You definitely didn’t read my response where I wrote that he can often charge to you after you Flicker (his charges have the same range as Flicker). Outside of them your Soulshape movement speed is 75% (halved by snare from conduit after Imprisonment) and his movement speed is 100%, so even if he for some reason doesn’t have a charge off CD, he can eventually catch you still.

Alter at 60% health means using it to manually reset at this health level, not to use in general. This was in response to your “just reset it earlier”.

DB + Sheep may be back, but Necrolord Fodder the Flame demon preserving, so his attack would break the Polymorph says “hi”. Try again.

What if he fel erupts, but doesn’t Eye Beam because he knows that you would Blink out of it and CS it?

This is exactly what I wrote, you use all of them to peel Meta, but he has counters to that. And did you forget that Fodder the Flame exists and demon can be kept alive to break Poly? What stops him from getting a proc (fight already goes on for 20+ seconds, so the chance is quite decent), keeping the Demon alive (his duration is 25 seconds btw) and if you DB + Poly him, demon will just break him out?

And really, once again I know these things and you don’t, but you call me bad. Lol.

@ Jayne - what if he is smart enough to not use Eye Beam against a Mage with Blink stun break available and keep it for second stun, knowing that Mage would just Blink CS first?

If he doesn’t trinket first DB + Poly, he will spend 14 seconds of Meta in sheep form.

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yep poly needs a CD of at least 15s

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He doesn’t get the full eye beam channel then

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How about a situation where he uses Eye Beam, you CS it, then he pops Meta, resets it and makes the mentioned combo when interrupt expires? CS is on CD. Even if you trinket second stun, CS is still on CD.

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That’s when you DB it

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What if he is smart enough to keep it before you DB + Poly him and use first Eye Beam only after that when DB is on CD?

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What if the Havoc knows that you can interrupt his eye beam so he just never uses it? :brain: