LMAO I guess it would be better if he was a psychopathic sycophant like Nathanos?
Baine and Saurfang are both cut from the same classic “warriors of honor” trope. It’s weak, expected and boring writing/character development but it’s easy to see what the writers are trying to do. They both follow because that’s what honor requires until Sylvy’s nonsense becomes too much for either of them.
Or maybe he could actually stand up to her, while not appearing to be an Alliance underling?
There are middle grounds. He can have more of a back bone, not be an Anduin penpal…yet not be like Nathanos.
Tauren never belonged in the Horde. They’re one of the two, maybe three, biggest goody-two-shoes races in the game.
You can argue that Horde is not evil.
But you can’t argue that light and peace incarnate has a place here.
Go to the Alliance where you belong.
Then give us Orc and Goblin druids.
Terrible paragraph formatting aside, I 10000000000% agree that the Horde should cleanse itself of all the Alliance characters. Anyone else find it hilarious how much effort Blizzard puts into “character choice” in the Horde side of the story so some Horde players can feel like they’re Alliance lovers, while Alliance gets no player choice…meaning Blizzard is catering to Horde players who secretly wish they were Alliance, and thus focusing on the Alliance mindset by both the Alliance story and pigeonholing an Alliance story into the Horde story?
At the end of the day, the story is gonna be what it’s gonna be, and I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, but their writers’/creative team’s inability to write the factions as two separate entities, rather than “Alliance” and “Alliance skinned as Horde + a villain who’s written as Horde” is really annoying. I think Bioware was far better at writing stories for two factions (well, at least at the beginning; they’re pretty bad after that initial base game) for SWTOR, writing both sides in shades of grey, while still keeping the overall tenor very specifically different, and Blizz’s B team could maybe take some lessons from that.
But when did Sylvanas say for him to bring a trophy? And either way, why did Teldrassil need to be burned if Saurfang didn’t kill Malfurion? What was the point?
Baine for warchief.
Did you know what Cairn was like? do you know that if it was not for the Tauren the forsaken and, by extension, the Blood Elves would not be IN the Horde?
Tauren belong in the Horde, THRALL’S Horde, VOL’JIN’s Horde. they could even get by in GARROSH’S Horde before he went off the deep end. The only Horde the Tauren don’t belong in is Sylvanas’ Horde.
If done right the Tauren would be written as the ones for peace but cross them and you pay the price, as one of the Male Tauren emotes says “Mess with the Bull, you get the horns”.
We don’t belong there either, why don’t you and your undead friends join the scourge where YOU belong.
Blood Elves I could see potentially getting druids, orcs and goblins? no, they lack the connection to nature or wild gods that the other druid races have. In a way the Tauren are more nature incarnate then peace and light incarnate. The issue is since they go to the extreme on one end (Sylvanas) Blizzard feels they have to go to the extreme on the other end to balance it out.
If anyone “does not belong in the Horde” it is the forsaken and the Blood elves and I wish that the Tauren did not speak up for them between WCIII: TFT and the start of vanilla.
Sylvanas - and Saurfang, for that matter - were counting on the death of Malfurion to dispirit the night elves of Darnassus, making occupation of Teldrassil possible. With the failure to kill Malfurion, night elf resistance would be rife, and occupation impossible, so destruction of Teldrassil was the only alternative.
We have too many classes already. As far as Gobs go, they are basically just Kaja’d up Trolls. If Trolls can do it, they can do it, though because they don’t fit there wouldn’t be a lot of them lorewise.
As far as there being a faction just for undead, which you could join as a dark ranger or san’layn, it certainly would be the best canon option, even if it wouldn’t be gameplay balanced.
But you admit, not in Sylvannas’ Horde. Baine should have the Tauren all defect. That’s what he wants. Let him do it.
And as a bonus, if you have a Horde Tauren already, you can keep it. But after he does this, all new Tauren characters are Alliance.
She handed the axe back to him. “I leave it to you, High Overlord.”
“This was your fight.”
She was already walking away. “This is your victory. None of this—not this battle, not Malfurion’s defeat—would have happened without you. You have earned this honor. Take a moment, if you’d like, and then take his head. I will meet you in Darkshore.”
IMO Sylvanas believed that when Saurfang emerged from the woods with Malfurion’s head in his hand the horde would cheer and salute Saurfang for his victory over the Archdruid. The horde would take it as a sign that victory was assured. Likewise the felling of such a powerful being would be a devastating blow to the Alliance.
Malfurion will live. Sylvanas could scarcely believe it.
She took the bow off her back, drew an arrow, and fired. The arrow arced over her Horde and slammed into the back of a Sentinel leader
This battle was not about a piece of land. Even Saurfang knew that. Taking the World Tree was a way to inflict a wound that could never heal. Losing their homes and their leaders would have ended the kaldorei as a nation, if not a people. Even the loss of one leader would have been enough to create a tide of despair. The wounds of this battle would have bled, festered, decayed, and rotted the Alliance from the inside out. Anduin Wrynn would have lashed out in a final, desperate war, looking for a miracle, because only a miracle would save them. But a miracle already had. A miracle granted by the honorable hand of a foolish old orc.
This conquest of Darnassus would rattle the kaldorei people. They would grieve for their lost, fear for their imprisoned, and tremble at the thought of the Horde ransacking their homes. But they would not fall to despair. Not anymore. Malfurion’s impossible survival would give them hope. Their wound would heal.
Even in this dark hour, they would say, Elune still watches over us.
And that was almost certainly true, wasn’t it? Elune had intervened. Perhaps she had even stayed Saurfang’s killing blow. And she wouldn’t be the only force beyond the Alliance to oppose Sylvanas’s true objective. A wound that cannot heal. Sylvanas needed to think of a new way to inflict one. There was
no turning back.
It was at this point that the Dark Lady had a conversation with a dying night elf, and the order was given to burn the world tree. Sylvanas was searching for something that would inflict “a wound that would not heal” upon the alliance. The dying night elf lead Sylvanas to how that could be done.
War would still have come. That had been certain the moment Saurfang had led the Horde into Ashenvale. And it would have been what he had feared most: the meat grinder, spending so many lives to achieve so little, ending with a whimper, and thus dooming future generations to a war nobody could win. Once again, Sylvanas had seen it before he had.And so … She had sent a message. This was not a war that would end in a stalemate. Not now. The Alliance and the Horde would both understand that the only choices were victory or death.
Saurfang realized that the failure to kill the leaders of the night elf’s meant that the kaldorei would eventually rally and fight to take back the world tree. A lot of lives would be lost and the war could/would probably last for generations with no real victory for anyone. Sylvanas did not start this war so that it would only end in stalemate, She wants a resolution once and for all as to who will rule Azeroth. By burning the world tree she has made peace impossible, the alliance will settle for nothing less than destruction of the horde. The Horde will triumph or it will die, Sylvanas is betting that she will be victorious.
Also its made clear that Sylvanas true objective has yet to be revealed.
Can your ignorance get any worse? from WoWpedia:
In ancient times, the keeper Mimiron had discovered kaja’mite and, attempting to determinate its properties, he experimented on various races. He found that the ore was extremely potent and that it increased the intellect of his subjects. One of these subjects was a small primitive life race that roamed around the forests near Ulduar. By consuming kaja’mite, they were transformed into a new, highly intelligent race known as the goblins.The goblins share a common ancestor with pygmies
I have to admit that, but know who else would not fit in Sylvanas’ horde? Thrall, Vol’jin, Cairn, even Lorthemar has had issues in the past. Hell, even members of the Nightborne question if they belong in the Horde as it is
Is that what he wants or is that just what you think he wants due to him not being fully onboard with sylvanas? Remind me which leader approached Varian to see about joining/rejoining the alliance? Baine? nope, Lorthemar.
Baine likely just wants what is best for his people and, unless he can get a promise that no harm will come to his people from ANYONE in the alliance he likely won’t defect or lead his people to defect. Anduin will welcome him, Jaina would likely welcome him, most of the alliance leaders likely would but Baine is likely wise enough to know that the lower commanders would likely still see the Tauren as Horde and as such would need to be killed on sight.
The Tauren are the voice of reason in the Horde, you even admitted that one can argue that the Horde is not evil, well, it is members like the Tauren that make that possible. So which is it, Tauren don’t belong in the Horde or the Horde is not evil? Personally, I say the Horde is not evil which means the Tauren belong in it. I am one that calls out bad writing for both Baine and Sylvanas. Baine needs to be a touch more like Cairn (or at least shown to be such) and Sylvanas needs to at least share her plans with the other Horde leaders to the extent they at least know what she is thinking.
We really should round up the Tauren and farm them for meat. Letting them play with their Anduin dolls at night, unchecked, could end up biting the Horde in the bumm. ![:frowning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
Game needs more death, we need to see some game of thrones action going on and have half of the leaders dead before the end of the expansion. Atm BFA seems like some PG13 cartoon were no one ever dies.
Leaders dying is the status quo for the Horde already.
OP clearly missed the emo thrall phase in catalysm
Or we can assassinate you and get you out of your misery .
No thx . There are far more adult oriented games that you can play .leave my wow alone.
There’s also plenty of TV shows for babies that feature no killing, so about you go watch those, so WoW can have a serious story again.
gobliins no right, but blood elves? no too, they are a arcane/light oriented society, they split from the night elves precisely because of the arcane costumes turning back to the druid ways.
Orcs being shaman, have a deep connection with nature/world, they live along side taurens/trolls for years, they would share the knowledge, Hell they have have a connection with a wild god (Goldrin/logo’sh). In fact, there is a orc druid in asharan (woD)
It’s almost staggering how people give Sylvanas any credibility.
She Killed more Horde in this expansion’s story than Alliance has on top of Teldrassil
Saurfang was right to ditch the Horde-the person leading it is no one worth following. Baine finally finding his balls to defy her is the best thing that’s ever happened to him.
Maybe once he gets jailbroken he can pulp her into meaty chunks.