Most raids are already hard. Something like only 50% of guilds are actively clearing BWL and 35% are clearing AQ40. So any changes will make the % go down for the casual audience, and make the hardcore scene have to spend maybe a minute or so more on each boss.
Vanilla? Where? This sure as heck isnât the overall Vanilla experience.
This is Classic.
Vanilla was never hard, players were simply bad back then. Classic has proved this over and over. If you want higher difficulty, go do heroic and mythic raids on retail. I want to do Naxx as it was, not as reimagined by some private servers.
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me, too? do u ever just get tired of saying no changes lmfao
If you want Naxx to be hard Go back to full prot tanks.
Who said anything about it being hard. If you go back in my post history, I was the one saying Naxx was never hard and it wasnât this mythically challenging raid- even in Vanilla. The road to Naxx however was very difficult. This post is about retaining some sort of Vanilla feel to this game.
And this has nothing to do with private servers.
And new flash for you. Naxx isnât as what Vanilla was. You know everything has been re-architected and missing data filled in to match that of Retail right?
And spare me the players being bad back then. You think we had the luxury of foresight or a time machine? âOh hey wow, letâs go back in time so we can stack fury warriors instead of our original compositionâ. A progressive game vs a gated one is vastly different. Guilds made due with the hand they were dealt. Servers were smaller. The internet was still relatively young. And no, Youtube wasnât really a bit thing yet. Server firsts were a thing. You think we all held hands and sang kumbaya letter each other know when we were getting buffs, let alone share strats? So show some respect to the players then who gave you all the information you know NOW.
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Or have everyone replace their raid gear with dungeon blues. Bam! Instant hard mode.
Yeah, they should have done this for all the raids, but the no changers really ruined the game for us. They were the worst thing to happen to classic and really held it back from rising to itâs full potential.
For naxx, really all they should do is increase boss HP, remove world buffs when zoning in, and make sure that boss damage is meaningful. Itâs a complete joke that all the raid content in classic so far is less difficult than looking for raid in retail. Naxx will probably be the first raid to reach LFR difficult in classic, but thatâs still pretty pathetic for it being the final raid in the game.
Itâs particularly noticeable if you play a healer, where the best strategy is just to dump mana, and forego efficiency. Fights are really short, and this eliminates a skill element from playing a healer.
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The game itself is the only element that can be re-created. We canât forget what we already know. The average player is in their 30s with up to 15 years experience playing WOW. The min max culture also didnât exist to the extent it does now. All the information available now certainly helps, but players have still improved over the years. I know I have.
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The hardest part about classic is finding a tank, mostly because tanking sucks.
And no classic tanking isnât hard, not having the class resource to use your abilities consistently =/= hard.
Thereâs plenty of things that arenât just players improving. Servers are gigantic, 10x bigger than actual vanilla servers and world buffs are insanely plentiful.
The knowledge of how to stack world buffs is probably the biggest single factor in how easy classic raids feel. Raid dps is absolutely stupidly high so healers donât have to care about mana and just stack +healing.
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Nah dude, 50x bigger.
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For DPS? Not really no. We have so much free regen for the Casters that you can essentially go forever. Melee obviously have no time limit on their abilities so from a DPS perspective, it just isnât going to alter much.
For Healers? Perhaps. But weâre already rather boringly downranking on any fight that isnât stressing our throughput, and only Patchwerk and Sapphiron will be very healing intensive. Bigger health would definitely make groups have to sit back and stack more FrR for the big bone dragon, but Iâm not really sure it would help too much with Patchwerk.
Just in the population of people raiding itâs probably more than 10x.
You can go to wikiâs and see old vanilla servers and how many guilds have cleared what.
On my server we have 115 guilds thatâve killed Câthun.
On my vanilla server Emerald Dream there were 19 guilds raiding 40-man period.
Yeah, Iâm seeing a bunch of servers with about 50 guilds listed as raiding guilds. I donât know how accurate these pages are either, considering the fact my old guild âWhy Tempt Fateâ from Maelstrom isnât even listed on any progression page from TBC or WoTLK. We were server or Alliance first for almost everything from TBC to Ulduar.
Hereâs Kelâthuzad:
https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Server:Kel%27Thuzad_US/Guild_Progression
48 raiding guilds listed there. I donât know where you and others pull this 10x number from but itâs obviously not even close. Far more people are raiding now than in Vanilla; the server sizes right now are probably a lot closer than you think.
KelâThuzad was one of the biggest vanilla servers.
Thereâs 203 guilds on my server that have killed Ragnaros.
The server sizes themselves are less relevant to how many world buffs are available than the number of people raiding. Thereâs also a huge pug scene that didnât really exist the same way in 2006.
Thatâs the thing. the average Classic player is in their 30s, making them ⌠pimply faced teens when Vanilla came out. Of course they werenât going to be very good - despite it being a casual game. The core audience back then, well ⌠it was us. Some people did know how to play. The age demographic for Vanilla was also far more varied.
Fast forward 15 years and being out of WoW as a whole, quitting early TBC and having come back for a few months for one of the xpacs, I would have never have guessed that people would be coordinating everything via discord, dropping world buff schedules, etc. But ouch.
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Yeah I dunno. I guess my point being that if the health pools were inflated enough, maybe something something could. But, just a thought. I mean, we all know Naxx is going to get steam rolled by the more serious guilds. But, at least make it somewhat more than an after thought for your average guild. Give the boss a chance to do some mechanics here and there.
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Well they already nerfed Naxx indirectly by buffing hunter dps.
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I donât know how much bigger but theyâre definitely bigger:
Pre-launch - âA Medium realm today already has more characters on it than even the most crowded realms did back in 2006.â