I agree with you on this point… I’m also not that person. I will also trust that you’ve been consistent on that opinion and not creep your posting history.
But this change is going to bring all of that back… It was why PL was put into place. All Blizzard needed to do was to remove the trade restrictions, and up the drop rates a tish. But as always they ham fist crap.
Sir, being a decent person doesn’t, or shouldn’t at least, end when you log into a game. That is literally what is wrong with the community.
I would possibly do something like this. Since I am clicking need for transmog.
On my disenchanters thats a quick way of adding it to my collections.
Will I get kicked for it? Maybe. But blizz wants to put this system in where it shows everyone what you are looting for and competing at folks that will get angry at you and vote kick you out of spite.
That’s the system we are moving to for need/greed.
I am being a decent person by following the rules of the game.
You are trying to impose extra rules. You are not being a decent person. You’re being a toxic part of the community that wants to control how others play.
I think I am just more frustrated about them bringing group loot back, instead of fixing the current system. Its like they rather give us something worse off then what we got, so they can just give us back personal loot at a later time and in hopes we will just be happy to be back using it.
There was an old Dog analogy about governments fixing issues. Think it fits with Blizzard devs also…
Its like a dog seeing a fire hydrant, he sees there is a problem, but in the end he will just end up taking a piss on it.
Go right ahead, but good luck… I talk alot lol. 
No, all they needed to do was keep ML as an option for 100% groups and leave PL for pugs/guilds that chose it. They didn’t need to force anything on anyone.
There’s also a con with personal loot that I’ve always thought felt terrible. Let’s say you’re in a new raid. The 2nd or 3rd boss has a weapon or trinket you want and bam. You just got bracers off the 1st boss and you don’t get loot for another 5 bosses.
This is even worse when you prog mythic and you get loot off 1st boss, but can only clear to the 4th boss. Sure you can get back to back loot but it is super unlikely and kills the thought of getting something you need.
Also let’s say you are in a winged format raid. You don’t get loot off of 3-4 bosses straight. Odds are you will definitely get loot off the next boss, and you can either do Halondrus or Pantheon. Well Pantheon has BIS trinkets, but the guild is doing halondrus first. You get loot from Halondrus and nothing from Pantheon.
This is very degenerate play and it has ruined a couple of nights for me. Yes I do think personal loot should be an option but I also would rather go to LFR and try to get some transmog and be able to roll on it rather than have to whisper people that don’t want to be bothered and they SHOULDN’T be bothered.
Personally I’ve wanted group loot back for a long time. Keeps me excited to reclear content
Back when need/greed was a thing this would also happen. You weren’t guarenteed any loot with need/greed. That’s just an rng thing.
If you are in a comp that has a ton of the same clothies, you are beating the boss with less% of drop chance since you are competing with a bunch of folks. An easy way to make your lockout lose a ton of worth.
Note that great vault guarentees you loot each week.
Wow’s loot problem has always been the awful drop rates. That never gets addressed.
That may be true. But that also does not guarantee that the items you want will drop on the other bosses. Out of all the classes and specs, you will get 4 random items (20 player group) from that bosses entire loot table.
Early on when the raid season starts, its actually not bad. But I can tell you from experience there were still players up to the last week in TBC Classic trying to get the freaking DPS trinket from Gruuls lair. Group loot does not guarantee loot you want or need.
As opposed to under the current system, a raid lead seeing you looted an item that isn’t an upgrade for you and kicking you for the same reason?
Right, but personal loot can almost feel like you’re guaranteed to NOT get loot sometimes. You can also trick the game with changing specs on multi-role classes and some bosses just have less items that can drop, so that incentivizes people to constantly check if they have the optimal loot spec or get their friends to also change specs just in case that ONE ITEM may drop.
Personal loot has the benefit of you not even needing to loot the boss. So no one can even see you got something.
That is being lost for group loot where you are competing against everyone. It just leads to group drama that previously could be avoided.
Loot drama leads to degenerate behavior amongst team mates.
That can lead to fighting. And all of a sudden your group run ends with some rage quits. It is pressure points that dissolve groups. I have seen it in the past. It’s going to happen in the future since blizzard hasn’t really addressed the problems of the old system.
Yep I know. I still havent got the stupid heroic shoulders from SoD raid yet.
But I have also seen Group Loot abused by raid leads, for example not bringing in certain classes or specs, so if certain DPS trinket drops, they will not have any competition for it.
Same here, seen people yelling and cursing out other players in chat and even on discord voice channels over that type of drama.
I can take friends into pugs and LFR to help roll on and funnel loot to me. They just have to be the same armor class and use the same type of weapons.
But but this guild is full of their very best good friends and they shouldn’t have to leave just because they are 100% certain that those same very good best friends will immediately force them to trade every drop against their will!
Raiimir has a point. No one needs anything. The need button is effectively, “I very much want this” vs. greed which is “I’ll take it if nobody is going to use it”
I will probably hit need on everything myself. Everyone should. Unless there are established rules otherwise with a group you trust .
Probably because we’d rather fight each other than combine forces.
You guys do what you want, I can’t stop you… but I still think it is a richard move to roll need on something that you aren’t going to equip if there is someone else that would equip it.
Group loot is really just a nerf to loot really. They want you to be in diverse comps. So if you don’t do that you already get less loot.
Personal loot works for any comp. Sure it benefits class stacking. But like that’s better then class stacking not being an option.
It’s a whole loot nerf for guilds that don’t have a diverse group.
Idk why people think it’s good unless they fit the mold blizz is envisioning.
Transmog should be priority 1, it lasts forever, that loot will be functionally replaced pretty quickly for most players.